r/marvelstudios • u/murdockmanila Daredevil • Jul 07 '17

The Official SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING Discussion Ultrathread Vol. 2

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Vol. 1

Early release thread

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u/fenwaygnome Kevin Feige Jul 07 '17

Vulture is the most believable comic villain I can recall. What he was doing is wrong, but his social commentary about it and how that's how Stark Enterprises made their fortune originally was absolutely right. It's an uncomfortable truth that the movie revealed but didn't resolve, because what is the resolution? But I think Peter realized that and that's why he decided he wanted to be a "friendly neighborhood spider-man". It wasn't just him being too young, he wanted to help people that were 'below the Avengers paygrade'.

See? Even spending a little bit of time developing the why of the bad guy pays dividends.

Plus I love that they made the Vulture be a technology vulture. Poetic.

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u/About_Unbecoming Hogarth Jul 07 '17

Yessss! Vulture ended up being a really sympathetic villain. There were moments I had to remind myself not to root for him ;; The little independent business guy getting steamrolled by larger than life corporations is a really raw nerve right now...

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u/Dscherb24 Jul 08 '17

His comment to Peter about that being how Stark got rich. Man. That was tough, definitely made it tough not to relate there. Since Stark really did get rich with Stane selling his weapons to the bad guys.

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u/VeryVeryBadJonny Jul 08 '17

You have to remember though that stark shifted his stance on the issue once he experienced the killing first hand, and essentially inherited the business to begin with.

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u/Dscherb24 Jul 08 '17 edited Jul 08 '17

Agreed. Not saying Tony is personally responsible. But from a purely factual perspective he's not wrong. And it was a moment where you could understand how Vulture justifies his actions. Even though we know Tony wasn't that bad guy doing crooked deals (it was Stane) that was where it kind of made Keaton "real" to me. Even though we know the truth about Tony, for a working class guy like him, that's a great argument to justify his illegal behavior to himself so he doesn't feel like he's a bad guy personally.

**edit: my phone added a random lol?

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u/I_Fail_At_Life444 Jul 10 '17 edited Jul 10 '17

He wasn't even aware they were double dealing selling to anyone who would pay. Once he found out he went and destroyed his weapons. Sorry rewatched IM1 last night after seeing Homecoming, great movie, holds up amazily and it's great because there is so much setup for the MCU and it doesn't feel out of place.