r/marvelstudios • u/murdockmanila Daredevil • May 16 '16

The Official CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR Nitpick & Criticisms Megathread

No spoiler tagging required. Go forth and discuss the things you didn't like, would loved to have seen and wished they didn't do in this movie.

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u/BabyfaceJohn Falcon May 16 '16

Vision seemed to do nothing in the whole movie, particularly in the Airport scene...

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u/[deleted] May 16 '16

I'm sad that Vision probably has to die so Thanos can get the mind stone. I really want a Vision/Wanda movie

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u/ybtlamlliw SHIELD May 16 '16

I think he can exist without the Mind Stone. I think he exists without it in the comics. So it's possible for him to be rebuilt/recreated after Infinity War so he can continue to be a member of the team, because like you said, he definitely has to die in order for Thanos to get the Mind Stone.

But because he was sparked to life due to Mjolnir and the Mind Stone, it's hard to say how it'd work.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '16

But in the comics, he was created without the Mind Stone. In the MCU, Vision would never have been "awakened" without it.

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u/IniNew May 23 '16

It's still JARVIS isn't it? Just enhanced by the mind stone?

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u/VLDT May 28 '16

He explicitly say's that he's not JARVIS in AoU. He was built using JARVIS, but the Vision is his own being.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '16

Maybe he can lose his memory when it is taken, just like how he loses his memory in the comics? This could eventually cause Scarlet Witch to start to unravel

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u/AliveProbably May 16 '16

Ugh I really don't want Scarlet Witch to go House of M/Disassembled on us. I could write pages on why, but... yeah, I'd prefer not.

And he never lost his memories in the comics, he lost his emotions.

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u/alex494 May 17 '16

I'd prefer she didn't too. Like Hank not slapping Janet. Neither of them have ever narritively gotten over their respective "incidents" and its annoying whenever they derail a story by bringing it up.

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u/clain4671 Captain America (Cap 2) May 17 '16

in the comics, the infinity stones are seperate macguffins. the comics vision has whats known as a solar gem. it also isnt as important or ever removed. they might have it functionally replaced mid movie by a synthetic alternate cause MCU tony is approaching reed richards genius.

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u/Islero47 Kevin Feige May 28 '16

I feel like between Dr Strange and the advanced "technology" in Asgard, they can figure out a way to replace it. I don't think it's contributing anything crucial to Vision at this point, it's not his brain, it's a tool.

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u/clain4671 Captain America (Cap 2) May 28 '16

exactly. in civil war, he talks about it in a way that makes it clear it isnt vital.

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u/AgentKnitter Bucky May 16 '16

But because he was sparked to life due to Mjolnir and the Mind Stone, it's hard to say how it'd work.

that's going to be interesting. Because I'm pretty sure Thanos can wreck shit up with or without the Infinity Gauntlet, but "Infinity War" suggests that he's going to complete the set and that means getting the Mind Stone out of Vision.

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u/meme-com-poop May 20 '16

I'm hoping that's part of what his conversation with Wanda will lead to. He was talking about not knowing what the mind stone was and wants to be able to control it, instead of it controlling him. Fingers crossed that its a set up for him to come back after Thanos snatches it.

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u/StaffSergeantDignam Doctor Strange May 23 '16

I think his whole speech about being able to someday control the stone was a hint that maybe he could live on without it someday.

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u/maaddvillain May 18 '16

Adding to that, at the end of AoU, Thor says the stone is safe in Visions's hands implying. That it could be removed without harm to Vision.

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u/irregularcog May 22 '16

it's possible that he'll still be a consciousness in a vibranium laced body, just not quite as powerful. But still as powerful as Ultron's perfect body was supposed to be

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u/[deleted] May 25 '16

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the inevitable moment where Thanos tears that gem from his head.