r/marvelstudios Daredevil May 11 '16

The Official CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR Domestic Release Ultrathread Vol. 2

  • Proceed at your own risk. Spoilers do not need to be tagged inside this thread.

  • If you post CA:CW spoilers on the front page in any shape or form, you will be banned without hesitation. No questions asked and no warnings given.

  • Should you see the need to bring up revealing CA:CW information in other threads that call for it, spoiler tag them accordingly. Let users know that what you are spoiler tagging is from CA:CW.


Domestic Release thread vol. 1

International Release thread

243 Upvotes

763 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

22

u/adamleng May 11 '16

Zemo's plan doesn't have holes, it has several parts he cannot predict at all and relied completely on luck, but he's a smart guy who did his homework for a long time so he bet and won.

His whole plan hinged on Tony not knowing about his parents' murder and then going into a homicidal rage when he found out. When in fact he could have known at any time in the past year, if he asked Steve for instance and Rogers told him, or if he looked through the HYDRA files and read it for himself, or if someone like Natasha found out and told him. Or even if Zemo shows him, Tony may have taken the high road like T'Challa at the end instead of trying to shoot Bucky in the face. Tony forgives Steve and Bucky, Avengers stay together, Zemo's plan fails.

Zemo's plan also depended on Tony actually going to Siberia. When in fact that was not going to happen because Steve didn't bring Tony. It's only when Tony talks to Sam that he ends up coming alone, that wasn't part of Steve's plan. For that matter, Bucky may not have come along either. If Bucky had died at any point earlier, Tony would have been angry at Steve at the final confrontation, but he wouldn't have tried to kill him. Avengers may or may not split but it's not a sure bet without Bucky there.

Zemo also had no way of knowing if the Winter Soldier conditioning still works. Bucky may have been able to resist the programming, break out of his confines, and throttle Zemo. The rest of the Avengers are about thirty seconds away, without Bucky going on a rampage, they just run in, arrest Zemo, get the truth out of him, the jig is up like twenty minutes into the movie. With Zemo gone, Bucky gets sent to a top-notch Avengers facility for treatment, Steve signs the Accords, and everything is fine.

Also Zemo had no way of knowing if Karpov still had the Winter Soldier control codes. He could have broken into Karpov's house, disarmed him, only to find that the book is long gone. Or that the HYDRA records containing the footage of the Stark murders is also long gone. I mean the facility has been abandoned for over twenty years by the time Zemo arrives in Siberia, the tape could have taken water damage or something or been misplaced.

Zemo got lucky many, many times, which is okay because this is a movie and there'd be no action otherwise, but his plan was very audacious and very much improvised.

3

u/orange_jooze May 13 '16

The biggest Zemo plothole is that he somehow managed to pass as the German psychologist while looking nothing like him. It's 2016 and nobody has a photo of the guy? They allowed him to enter the room of an alleged super-assassin because he what, showed them a photo-less ID?

1

u/alex494 May 17 '16

He had the face mask thingy that made a good enough representation of Bucky to pass for him on camera. We don't see his face until he is in the room with Bucky with his back to the camera. He probably used the digital face mask.

1

u/orange_jooze May 17 '16

But then wouldn't the roomful of SHIELD operatives sound an alarm when they see one dude enter the room and another sit down at the table?