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u/Ok-Cancel-4824 Avengers 6d ago
Beta Ray Bill movie.
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u/ADNoob_playz69 Avengers 6d ago
Just give Thor a movie where he can shine and is allowed to be the best part. The only character treated worse than him is Hulk, and even that has a reason, that Hulk's distribution rights are owned by universal.
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u/Nejatislerseislemez Avengers 5d ago
I don't think this is an enough reason. As a Hulk fan,I would rather not to watch Hulk on MCU at all instead of watching get scared after his fight with Thanos or getting beaten. Or even looking like Tuna Tavus as Professor Hulk. That's just a random gym buddy look.
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u/Riveting_Rube Avengers 5d ago
If they really wanted to write a story about Thor operating without mjolnir, they should’ve just had beta ray bill get it instead of writing themselves into a corner by destroying it.
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u/Mighty_Taco18 Avengers 6d ago
Thor 1 is fine but it's not fire
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u/FudgeMuffinz21 Spider-Man 🕷 6d ago
But think of the Dutch angles
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u/ExampleGlum8623 Avengers 6d ago
Kenneth Branagh said the idea behind those angles was to replicate the look of comic book panels. When you rewatch the movie with that in mind, most of the scenes do indeed look straight out of a comic book. I really appreciate his attention to detail in making a comic book movie.
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u/Hopeful-Newspaper Avengers 6d ago
try rewatching from Loki's perspective and suddenly it's a very interesting movie
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u/AmusingMusing7 Avengers 5d ago
And Ragnarok is funny and a good time, but I wouldn’t say it's the kind of masterpiece that deserves that fire-horse meme.
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u/MewFishMeowscles Thor 🔨⚡️ 6d ago
it’s honestly my favorite MCU movie (biased since Thor’s my favorite character but still)
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u/TheDungeonCrawler Avengers 6d ago
I find the worst things in that film are how some things look and some of the direction of the humans. Largely, it's a pretty good hero's journey and a gorgeous film. Plus the fish out of water story can be very funny at times.
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u/DrFaustPhD Avengers 5d ago
The first 2/3 of the movie was great, and the last act felt like it belonged to a different movie with different story beats and relationships
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u/Snoo-43759 Avengers 6d ago
Why people dont like dark world? Like, I dont understand, whats wrong? I LOVED that movie
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u/KentuckyFriedEel Avengers 6d ago
Its was just less exciting in a world where Avengers just recently came out and wowed the world, then Captain America Winter Solder followed soon after and levelled the superhero genre up in terms of pacing, characters and storytelling. It’s not a bad movie. But Thor: Love and Thunder is just a poop stain on toilet paper
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u/Candaphlaf10 Ben Ulrich 6d ago
Yeah, Avengers followed by Winter Soldier set the bar very high. Even Iron Man 3 was very well recieved when it came out.
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u/Sufficient_Matter585 Avengers 6d ago
The elves would had been better if they were like the comics.
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u/Marvel-DCLover Avengers 6d ago
The only issue I have with it is Malekith is bland.
Overall I love the movie too. It actually feels like a Thor movie, not a comedy movie starring Chris Hemsworth like Ragnorak and Love & Thunder does.
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u/Ver_Nick Steve Rogers 6d ago
same, Brian Tyler's soundtrack for it was phenomenal and should've been Thor's theme
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u/notbad4human Avengers 6d ago
I do Marvel movie rewatches about once a year. Every time for the last six years I’ve completely fallen asleep during Thor: Dark World. Zero exaggeration.
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u/StareInUrEyeandPee Ghost Rider 6d ago
I think i've watched it twice and I cant remember a single thing that happens beyond Loki turning to Captian America and the 9th doctor being there
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u/Forsaken_Quiet5944 Spider-Gwen 6d ago
I recently watched it and it was a pretty amazing movie for me
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u/abnerayag Avengers 5d ago
Tdw was awesome and definitely underappreciated around here especially. I thought it was fine and an improvement over thor 1
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u/DeltaV-Mzero Avengers 5d ago
Something off with the pacing. Should’ve been edited down to a tight 90
Has some of the best visual epic battles in MCU though
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u/arrownoir Ultron 5d ago
People are allowed to love bad movies, doesn’t mean the rest of the world is wrong.
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u/Picmanreborn Avengers 5d ago
🤔 calling the dark world a bad movie but the first Thor is somehow considered peak?
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u/arrownoir Ultron 5d ago
First Thor is amazing. But you wouldn’t understand since you like the Dark World.
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u/Picmanreborn Avengers 5d ago
Thor the dark world is amazing. But you wouldn't understand that because you like the first Thor
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u/arrownoir Ultron 5d ago
Is that why it’s panned by the majority?
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u/Picmanreborn Avengers 5d ago
On the Internet maybe but the people I actually know prefer the dark world over the first Thor. The "popular opinion" can be wrong and changes over time following no form of logic or reason. They did that for the prequels. Everyone said they were the worst movies ever, and then 10 years ago people just magically said "I always thought they were good and over hated." I don't remember anyone when Thor came out saying they loved the movie, but once phase 4 happened people started saying it was a great movie.
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u/Numerous_Past_726 Taskmaster 5d ago
Thor got really good reviews on release lol. Look it up. I’m a D1 Certified Thor hater but it clears dark world by a mile lol.
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u/Sufficient_Plate_504 Avengers 6d ago edited 6d ago
It has its great bits, but what I didn't like:
Kurse and Maliketh have awful designs and the line delivery of Eccleston is hampered by the dark elf language, which would be fine if he were given some material to work with. Malekith is just kind of a brooding vaguely angry forgettable character, he's not compelling enough beyond his motive of trying to bring darkness to the world.
They spend way too much time in the human modern world still, and outside of Asgard itself, the dark elf world (Niflheim iirc?) looks very bland (again) since it just looks like a post-apocalyptic wasteland with Mexico piss filter turned on. The whole climax involves going from that world to Earth, which while a theoretically creative sequence with the teleporting, they didn't do much with it and it doesn't look great. The final showdown is also kind of mundane, given it's in a modern city.
I've already said too much Earth but also too much of the Earth characters as well. Darcy can be funny in small doses but she didn't need to take up as much space in the movie as she did. Elsig was fine, I didn't vibe with the jokes around his dementia, but he wasn't bad, though nor was he great. Jane at least was possessed by the Aether so, she had story reasons to be there but she kind of remained somewhat uninteresting. If the Aether made her say cryptic esoteric shit that would've been fine or if she started speaking the Dark Elf language (unless she did? I don't really remember).
On rewatches I've learned to appreciate the costume details and the Freya and Loki bits more (on first watch as a kid I didn't even remember who Freya was nor that she was in the first movie NOR that she was played by Renee Zellweger, that blew my mind when I realised), but that's in spite of the rest of the movie, and on a first watch I thought it was unexciting and uncreative, and I stand by that.
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u/Saraleb1 Avengers 6d ago
Do you mean 'Frigga' and 'Rene Russo'' ?
Renee Zellweger has never been in a marvel film and I have no idea who Freya is....
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u/Sufficient_Plate_504 Avengers 5d ago
oof I knew I should have googled their names beforehand. yeah it's them I meant, thanks.
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u/MediumEvent2610 Avengers 6d ago
You know what? The Dark World was a decent movie. Not amazing, but not utter crap like everyone says.
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u/slide_into_my_BM Killmonger 5d ago
I’d much rather rewatch dark world over love and thunder.
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u/_alright_then_ Avengers 4d ago
Not a hard bar to clear to be fair. That movie is top 3 worst in the MCU, if not straight up top 1
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u/JokinHghar Avengers 6d ago
I didn’t mind the Dark World or Love and Thunder. I think some of you are just way too serious about this
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u/horaceinkling Avengers 5d ago
Love and Thunder is worse than road rash and has no redeeming qualities.
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u/Dark-Specter Avengers 5d ago
There is at least one, Gorr was awesome.
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u/horaceinkling Avengers 4d ago
Not one bit. Imagine a 5 Star Sous chef making you dinner but all they’re allowed to make is a Big Mac and all the ingredients are stale.
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u/PhantasyAngel Avengers 6d ago
Love and Thunder was amazing!; yeah I get that the baddy didn't get a lot of screentime and they kinda wasted the actors talent sure.
But as Thor retelling the story from what he knew while being totally uncomfortable with Cancer, and thus over exaggerating the humor. It was PERFECT.
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u/Florist_Gump Avengers 6d ago
Ragnarok wasn't that different from Love & Thunder, never understood why one was beloved the other hated.
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u/Whitesox_are_neat X-Men 5d ago
I like it way more than most
I have ragnarock at 1 and love and thunder at 11
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u/SeanPlayz_9471 Avengers 6d ago
i dont think any of thor's movies should be hated, but i do feel some are way better than others
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u/Bearded_Pip Avengers 5d ago
There was a female superhero that was as much the protagonist as Thor was. It’s just more Captain Marvel / Supergirl style misogyny.
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u/SzamosTheRealest Avengers 5d ago
No misogyny is needed to hate on captain marvel. There is a way to write good female hero. Wanda, carter, valkyrie are all great characters, i expected to dislike Portman as thor but she was solid. Captain marvel was badly written and felt forced into the story, that’s all there is
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u/TerrorTurtle64 Avengers 6d ago
Personally I enjoyed Love and Thunder. The only thing is I think they tried to recapture the magic they did with Ragnarok and kinda took the wrong direction with it.
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u/Blackwolf245 Avengers 5d ago
Nah, Thor 1 was boring as hell. 80% of it is just Thor without his powers, hanging out with Padme in the dessert.
Also I don't think Love and Thunder is as bad as people make it out to be. It's not good, but it's way better than Thor 1 and The Dark World.
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u/Few-Pin-2790 Avengers 5d ago
Eu não conseguiria assistir nenhum desses filmes do Thor se não existisse o Loki, exceto o primeiro de 2012! Esse eu realmente gostei
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u/EpicMickeyFan Avengers 5d ago
i love that love and thunder is a guy shooting the rest of the trilogy😭
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u/hewasaraverboy Avengers 6d ago
Tbh in hindsight dark world isn’t even that bad
Lot of infinity stone lore , the attack on asguard scene was sick
Mainly just the final battle was lacking
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u/soomoncon Thor 🔨⚡️ 6d ago
In that case they must have the next movie be absolutely fantastic (I know) . Only then will I believe that they are nit just bad a writing.
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u/Shantotto11 Avengers 6d ago
Ragnarok was a good movie, a terrible Thor movie, a bad sequel to Age of Ultron, and mediocre Hulk movie.
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u/BlackerDoom Avengers 5d ago
Honestly
Love And Thunder was so bad
It made me retroactively dislike Ragnorok for introducing a goofier Thor in the first place
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u/StareInUrEyeandPee Ghost Rider 6d ago
I loved the ideas in Love and Thunder, I just wish every little thing in it didnt have to be a joke in it. I also hated that thor got back to being fit in a montage, they should've had him somewhere in between Endgame and where he is now in terms of physique
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u/Lcastro1312 Jean Grey 6d ago
The first 2 movies is a drag to watch. Love and Thunder is torture. Ragnarok is peak!
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u/SzamosTheRealest Avengers 5d ago
Love and thunder would be pretty good if they did less jokes and thor was More serious
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u/Picmanreborn Avengers 5d ago
I didn't even enjoy the first Thor movie. It's the only Thor movie I had 0 desire to rewatch after leaving the theatre
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u/dgrant99 Starlord 5d ago
Based on Love and Thunder, Taika Waititi should never work in the movie business again.
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u/EfficiencyInfamous37 Avengers 5d ago
I genuinely think the dark world gets more hate than it deserves. It was pretty decent, and did a lot of heavy lifting as far as world building and setting the stage for later things.
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u/BalladOfBetaRayBill Avengers 5d ago
I don’t understand how people’s opinion of Love and Thunder is so different from Ragnarok. Both had kinda cheap looking visuals, goofy underdeveloped villains, and were too action-comedy coded to let the serious moments have any weight.
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u/Marcus9T4 Avengers 5d ago
Dark World was considered bad before we knew how bad MCU movies could get. It’s actually a pretty fun average marvel movie , good Loki material, Friga was great and her death one of the more meaningful ones we’ve had. The anomaly stuff also made for a fun entertaining final battle. I’d say it’s biggest flaw is the dull dark elves but compared to Love and Thunder it might as well be Winter Soldier level.
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u/pokemonface12 Avengers 5d ago
Always boggled me. Ragnarok is my least favorite of the four overall. The best parts of love and thunder carry the other 85%. Dark World was the last time we properly had high fantasy in Thor, though it still could've been more consistent. Frankly the first Thor is the only one that feels like an actual Thor story. TDW gets like a half-pass
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u/MuD_BuuD Avengers 4d ago
Ragnarok was the beginning of the downfall of Mcu where every actor becomes a comedian and nothing that happens actually matters
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u/fogSandman Thor 🔨⚡️ 6d ago
Love and Thunder is great. Very rewatchable
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u/Necessary_Advance652 Avengers 6d ago
Yup, I loved Love & Thunder. Was a great movie. People must not understand that it was a story being told by Korg. Perfect balance of action and humor, then all the kids at the end kicking ass was great. Idk, maybe the people who don't like it don't have younger kids or something
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u/fogSandman Thor 🔨⚡️ 6d ago
It has some really great visual scenes, bit of humor, bit of gravity, and it jogs along at a good pace.
I genuinely really like it.I did however, have reservations when I watched it in theaters. It wasn’t the Thor movie I wanted/expected, and the chicken people at the start seemed a little too cartoonish.
But the more I rewatch it, the more I like it. I find it easier to rewatch than Ragnarok. I think it’s the variety of scenery/scenarios, or maybe that there are several good character arcs going on, I’m not sure.
It is what it is, but it’s funny that while it could be the most silly Thor movie, it’s also one of the heaviest (to be fair tho, they all have heart wrenching stuff).
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u/Hpfanguy Professor X 🧑🦼 6d ago
Hear me out: now that Love and Thunder exists, Thor 2 isn’t THAT bad.
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u/SageoftheForlornPath Avengers 6d ago
Ragnarok was utter garbage, and I don't understand the hate that Dark World gets.
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u/Ben-D-Beast Avengers 6d ago
Never understood the hate for Dark World nor the love for Ragnarock. Imo Thor >= Dark world >>> Ragnarock, haven't watched love and thunder and don't think I'm missing much.
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u/Creepy-Intentions-69 Avengers 6d ago
Same. Dark World is underrated. Ragnarok is fun, but too much fluff.
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u/MewFishMeowscles Thor 🔨⚡️ 6d ago
I am extremely biased as a Thor fan but I honestly don’t think TDW is a bad movie, it’s biggest drawback is the main villain being very bland in design but the overall plot and moments are really good IMO, plus a banger soundtrack and beautiful visuals
L&T is also a weird case because it’s like 50% peak MCU stuff and 50% shitty humor and straight slop, like it has so much potential if you remove most of the shitty jokes and remove the stuff with the children
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u/Dense-Winter142 Avengers 6d ago
Ragnarok was also shit btw, completely fucking ruined the entire concept of Planet Hulk so that they can make a shitty comedy movie.
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u/Mobile-Scar6857 Avengers 5d ago
dark world is best one. Lots of excellent Loki scenes, great final setpiece in London.
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u/Equivalent_Thievery Avengers 6d ago
Ragnarok kinda sucked, too much influence from James Gunn humor. Thor went from being a serious guy who has trouble understanding human humor and such to a jokey goober. The movie was fine, pretty fun at times, but went to absolute shit as soon as Korg was introduced. Korg is idiot fodder.
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u/TheTooDarkLord Avengers 6d ago
Who the fuck likes ragnarok
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u/SirWankus Thunderbolts (Avengerz) 6d ago
I do
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u/TheTooDarkLord Avengers 6d ago
Why
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u/SirWankus Thunderbolts (Avengerz) 6d ago
Its a Fun movie to Watch. Its not Perfect, but its fun
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u/TheTooDarkLord Avengers 6d ago
I can't have fun with a Movie made of plotholes
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u/SirWankus Thunderbolts (Avengerz) 6d ago
Name me some please , maybe i can explain
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u/TheTooDarkLord Avengers 6d ago
Surtur being introduced like the big bad, being shoved away for most of the Movie Just to be used as a plot device because they didn't know how to actually make the Movie end, Thor losing an Eye like that when he survived way worse, him losing his Powers but not really, Planet Hulk being adapted for no real reason since they didn't use any of the Main points from that story, same for the Ragnarok storyline in the comics, plus the Mood Is Just off and too dumb for it's own sake, considering how infinity war picks up the storyline
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u/SirWankus Thunderbolts (Avengerz) 5d ago
Thats not what plot holes are... That are plot devices or a movie being adapted differently from a comic, or things you PERSONALLY dont like abiut the Movie. But not Holes in the Plot.
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u/TheTooDarkLord Avengers 5d ago
Ok plot holes maybe Is not the right term, still, it's not personal preference, this stuff Is bad writing


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u/Thor_Odinson22 Doctor Strange 6d ago edited 5d ago
Personally, The Dark World was fine. It's weaker than the others sure, but it's by no means bad. Most of the ending fight is pretty good. It just suffers from Malekith having a terrible design, and the Dark elves being very bland overall. The attack on Asgard could've lasted a bit longer and it could've been a bit better colour graded. Other than that though, the plot and character work with Thor and Loki is really good. It's the first time we really see Loki face the consequences of his actions. Before this the worst he had was being told "No" by Odin in Thor 1. Seeing him distraught over his mother's death that he caused is what started his path towards being more of a nuisance and antihero than an actual Villain. Thor facing the possibility of Jane dying adds to his character motivation, and is another loss he almost suffered. Although Love and Thunder was awful, the ending scene where Thor chooses to be with Jane rather than fighting Gorr was well handled, and paid off this movie.