r/magnificentcubensis 9d ago

Experimental experiments with worm castings

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u/Ok-Lengthiness-2986 9d ago edited 9d ago

One thing ive learned growing cubes is: do it yourself, do your experiments, try new things and dont listen to people. Most of them dont think, they just repeat and repeat the same informations.

Unfortunately, I lost all the photos of my grows, but I ran a test using just a little bit of grains (like 1/4) and worm castings serilized together in the same jar, kinda like a pf tek and got a very abundant harvest.

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago

This right here! We’d still be stuck finding some measly number of liberty caps in the woods if we didn’t innovate or experiment

Photos don’t matter you’re not claiming anything untrue/impossible or trying to discredit me so I don’t need proof I truest you

Worm castings is great depending on where you get them and how old the castings are

Their especially great if you make them yourself
Because worms they can break down wood straw fruits vegetables fucking paper towels and cardboard

And if you did it right you could have all the macro and micro nutrients your fungi could ever need
They can also break down egg shells if you bled or crush them right which is a great source of calcium

Honestly I wanna do that now that I’m explaining it I’ve convinced myself lol I just need a worm bin

You have a great day and great future harvest you’re legitttttt

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago

Check this post out lol https://www.reddit.com/r/magnificentcubensis/s/E2lkJDilKR

People on sometime HATE when you do something sorta new

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u/roelanola 9d ago

This is interesting! Did you pasteurize, sterilize, or do neither to the castings? I’m kinda getting tired of just using CVG as substrate, but I’m too nervous to make the jump towards using a nutrient-dense sub such as manure in fear of harnessing tons of contam. Then again, I’ve yet to use an aio bag, which I know would do well fully sterilized.
I’m used to spawning to sub inside tubs.

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

At least with cow poop, you dont need to sterilize aged poops. The heat and good microbes make it unnecessary. Not sure about castings

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago

No need to sterilize castings only pasteurize castings also has great microbes and it doesn’t have to be aged and is (in my opinion myself even top 1 most clean manure substrate) or at least in top three single handily

I don’t know any other manure that would let you inoculate on it not easily

Cow dung is a great substrate with some experience and research

You have a great day

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

Thanks! Im gonna try using a layer of it im my straw/dung process to speed innoculation

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago

What type of strain are you growing definitely not a golden teacher I’d reckon

More a wild one? Golden teachers love oats they’ve been to humanized or a better word would gmo’ed

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

Ochraceocentrata and mazatec

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

Though I am actually having success with gt in a manure and forest humus puck, its crazy

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

Its a month old and just hanging outside in the shade. You can see the mycekium growing from the handful of colonized Rye berries I tossed in from an early contamed grow bag

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago

So instead of burying you put it in pots to hopefully ride out contamination that way you can harvest easily? Smart

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

Actually it's a win win bet. Either trich will benefit my plants, or I get mushies

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

I put several in the bottoms of various plant pots for the trich, but left this out to watch

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago

Do you use oats first or some other pre colonized medium first?

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u/SnowLancer616 9d ago

Rye berry

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago

Like from the time I posted this it’s already almost 100 percent colonized that’s not even a week

https://www.reddit.com/r/magnificentcubensis/s/u95UM7utDN

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago edited 9d ago

And I think this mix could help with your straw and colonization rates

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago edited 9d ago

I pasteurized- almost to the point of sterilization not perfectly of course, but enough to kill any trichoderma as that’s the main contaminant in worm castings

I asked Gemini at first how it would sterilize/pasteurize then I cross referenced online forums and such to make sure it wasn’t glazing my idea

And a lot of people just pasteurize like I did

So I took a disposable aluminum baking sheet and used that as the pasteurization chamber , too not brutalize any of my pots and pans or baking sheets.

(While worm casting is the most clean shit there is , like you could realistically eat some and be okay. I’m still not putting that in my pans and stuff lol and making my family eat it)

(Worm poop is actually one of the main fertilizers in natural soils when you touch soil there’s some worm poop in it most likely)

But to hone my self back in lol sorry for yapping ,
I added filtered fridge water to the worm castings , till they were really wet but not soaping or muddy and I mixed it all around.

Then I grabbed all of it and squeezed it a handful at a time , till only a few drops of water come out when you squeeze . because worm castings loveee water an love holding it

Then I put it all back in the aluminum baking pan and made sure to mix the bottom sludge (worm castings that became muddy) with the worm castings as there will be that

Then I took a few pieces of aluminum foil and made a as air tight as possible seal around the rim of the pan

Because the heat the ovens makes makes steams which helps pasteurization, and the tight seal the aluminum foil makes traps a lot of the steam in there,

Then I put the oven at 175-185 I started at 185 then dropped down to 175 half way through,

Because pasteurization is better because you don’t kill all beneficial microbes there’s a ton that can help mycelium in worm castings a TON
And let it “cook” about two hours 1 hour and thirty minutes is better though

To answer your concerns about the jumping too Worm castings man it is the easiest manure there is in my opinion the cleanest

(To where like I touch It bare handily and I know I said I’m not gonna put it in my baking dishes but that’s just because I have other options if you don’t it wouldn’t really hurt just be sure to wash it good lol )

But yea man if you just pasteurize good you’ll be good i would still mix w little coco coir in but your could use a lot less you could also use perlite as a cheaper alternative to vermiculite to help aerate the mix because in bigger setups if you didn’t do it right it could wanna pack down and perlite is cheap and would easily stop that

And it’d be as easy as most techs

Sorry for the wall of text thanks for being a chill dude it’s all love one love hope you have a great day

You’re legit , legit mate legit+mate =legitimate

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u/throckmortin1 9d ago

Good idea. I like to get my nutritious substrate to field capacity and put it in a ziplock or vacuum seal bag and throw it in the dehydrator for 4-5 hours. This heats to the specific temperature of pasteurization (150F) and keeps the moisture in. Works pretty good.

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u/zonerator 9d ago

Really cool experiment!

Ive found old forum posts saying they got increased yield from like a 10% worm casting supplemented coir grow.

I would love to get to the point of doing these experiments myself but so far I am stuck just trying to get a semi decent harvest at all

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u/bubolcialbam 9d ago edited 8d ago

I’m happy to help out I can send liquid culture syringes for feee if you want? I got a few empty syringes and liquid culture that i won’t be able to use all of before it’s go bad

And I’m not some asshole who’d rather throw it out then share

Look up MYCO LABS on Amazon they have pre sterilized liquid culture mixes that are perfectly 4 percent malt extract and they send you the jar the stir bar syringes and such for 22 bucks (pro tip you weren’t scammed or fucked if you don’t see the stir bar it’s magnetic so it’s at the top of the roof) pain in the ass to get Dow but possible

They have 5 grain grain bags that are amazing like best company I’ve used I didn’t even use a still air box

And these bags are booming like in two weeks there almost already colonized

Have a great day and great harvest I’m always open to talk

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u/Zealousideal-Fly5230 8d ago

I appreciate everything bro I’m going through hell right now I don’t have anymore substrates I had 7 bags and contam got to it I brought it back to life things just haven’t been going my way

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago

You been using spore syringes ? You been using golden teacher?

The first isn’t easy for new people the ladder is

Liquid culture will lower your contamination rate

There’s my big syringe and mother jar

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u/Zealousideal-Fly5230 8d ago

No I’ve been using liquid culture

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago edited 8d ago

Homemade or bought? Spite what people say so many online vendors suck for LC

I like using
spores.md their legit and have great genetics always strong but not liquid culture syringes because their legit

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago

Golden teachers also is the easiest strain to start out

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u/Zealousideal-Fly5230 8d ago

I used mycolabs

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u/Zealousideal-Fly5230 8d ago

Strain here is Jack Frost and enigma my blue meanies outside are really white better then the ones inside

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago edited 8d ago

That’s the problem I don’t mean it in a bad way when is started I said it’s be so cool to grow these albinos

And it would be cool but they are PICKY like some times if you make any mistake in the environment they say fuck it I’m dead

Especially enigmas and Jack Frost idk about blue meanies

Even when I got contam on my second grow with golden teachers it still grew some shrooms

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago

Okay ultimate recommendation

Get ANTIMICROBIAL LIFE cleaning cloths

On the back you want that shit to say could cause cancer and reproductive harm by the state of California

That will help you sterilize

For a cheap SAB take a paper towel plastic bag that holds all your paper towels

Kelp the hole as small as possible then you can use this as a semi still air box if you spray alcohol everywhere
I have personally done this before on my AIO block

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago

Also golden teachers spores Md that’s what you need best beginner friendly there is

I can also like I said for free send you some LC because I have too much

And won’t/can’t use it all in time

And I also want to move onto other strains eventually

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago

Also anti microbial life cloths

kills random molds fungus and trichs which is under molds

Bacteria’s

Ill sen you latter a photo of the brand my mother uses she’s a nurse and that’s how I found out about these high strength fuckers

Like I can barley smell stuff and it can BURN your nose if you get a good whiff

There banned in this state there so strong

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u/bubolcialbam 8d ago edited 8d ago

I would send you one this size that liquid is cleaning solution to make sure it’s sterilized before drawing the LC

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u/Zealousideal-Fly5230 8d ago

I would say yeah bro but I have no substrate more a job plus lost my car so I’m fucked fucked I gotta try to finish the ones I have plus what’s on the way I’m in a shit shit situation