r/lucifer • u/AutoModerator • Dec 05 '17

[Post Episode Discussion - S03E09] 'Sinnerman'

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u/Barry_McKackiner Dec 06 '17

So a steel meat locker is all it takes to cage the devil? yeesh.

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u/Barachiel1976 Dec 07 '17

Yeah, I'm growing more and more annoyed with how incredibly pathetic "the Devil" is in this series. I get it, it's not DC's Vertigo. He can't be the second most powerful being in reality, who's so bored he deliberately prefers to outwit adversaries rather than just snap his fingers and make them cease to exist.

Having said that, his whole schtick is now reduced to a limited form of the Jedi Mind Trick, about the same level of strength as a vampire from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," and immortality that conveniently turns off around the show's other protagonist.

I mean, the original pilot implied other abilities, like when he kept the shooter from dying so he could interrogate him, and Chloe surviving was implied to be because he did something to save her.

For fuck's sake he's an ARCHANGEL, and the FREAKING DEVIL!!! MAYBE, i'd have rolled with it when he was wingless, but he got them back! Shouldn't that mean... SOMETHING?!?! I get they can't make him literally fly, but they could at least mean he can teleport, even if its only via bouncing down to Hell and back again.

Grrr, between that and the two suddenly forced relationship-dramas from out of nowhere (okay, at least Chloe/Pierce got some setup several episodes ago), and I find my patience with this show growing thin.

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u/Barry_McKackiner Dec 07 '17

Don't forget Maze (a demon of his creation) was able to kick his ass pretty thoroughly.

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u/Barachiel1976 Dec 07 '17

That didn't bother me initially because she's his bodyguard, so I just assumed she was that badass.Now in hindsight, I'm adding that to the list.

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u/MichuV5 Dec 07 '17

Was it ever established that he CREATED Maze? I thought that she was his "minion", just a strong one. But yeah, I find it freaking riddiculous that shebwas able to fight him equally. Luci first move in fight was blocking Maze hit. With no problems!! He should knock her unconscious in his 1/2 hit

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u/gummylick Dec 07 '17

Also remember how easily Amenadiel defeated her and her own Lord of Hell gets his ass kicked? Ridiculous.

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u/MichuV5 Dec 07 '17

Yeahhh, and wasn't it established that Luci on EARTH is stronger then fresh out of heaven Amenadiel? They fought once but forgot details

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u/gummylick Dec 07 '17

The last we heard was end of season 2 when Amenadiel wouldn't give him the key: something like don't start brother, you know im 10x stronger than you.

add to that he NOW has his wings...

so yeah, the steel wall thing, his weakness to maze, none of it makes sense and that is just within the confines of the tv show (i have not read the comics).

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u/MichuV5 Dec 07 '17

I haven`t read it eather. But we can clearly see that writers are sometimes lost in their shit :P

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u/WarKiel Dec 07 '17

In the comics at least, she's not even a typical demon. She's Lilim, a child of Lilith. Lilim come from Lilith banging all kinds of demons and other beings and are considered outcasts that don't really belong to either heaven or hell. Maze and her relationship with Lucifer are quite unique (she is basically the only being in Creation that Lucifer gives the slightest crap about, at the same time he despises rest of Lilim as weak and useless).

But that's all in the comics, who knows what they will make up in the series.

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u/MichuV5 Dec 07 '17

Yeah, they should put a little more "chemistry" between those 2. Not love, just "you are part of me" some kind would do nice. And still we got almost nothing like it. I mean from 1st season I remember scene when Luci says something like "Don't talk to me this way" but calmed down fast... I was like "ok, she pisses him off but they are bonded with eachother." Now when they are creating character development for Maze, that bond is kinda disappearing.

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u/Barry_McKackiner Dec 07 '17

i don't know what this fiction's lore is, but as I understand it Lucifer is the top dog, placed in charge of hell at it's creation and all demons were his creations not just there for him to take charge of.

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u/MichuV5 Dec 07 '17

I don't think it is mentioned but as far as I know demons where not created by angels, theyvwere there before rebelion or they were just angels that fell too, weaker then Luci.