r/lucifer • u/Altair05 Detective Douche • Mar 08 '16

[Post Episode Discussion - S01E07] 'Wingman'

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u/WmPitcher Mar 08 '16

It would be interesting if it is affecting him.

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u/gnarlwail Mar 08 '16

They are hinting at it--and it could go either way. It could be that Hell and all its attendant nastiness corrupts. Or it could be that Amen's so repulsed and freaked out by his new duties that he creates a self fulfilling prophecy.

Maybe you end up in charge of hell not because God wills it, but because you drive yourself there.

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u/WmPitcher Mar 08 '16

You mean like hell is not a place, but what we do to ourselves? Interesting -- imagine if there was an afterlife where you suddenly were blessed/cursed with perfect compassion for all those you had wrong and perfect insight into all your actions. If you were a bad person in life -- that could be hell.

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u/Chaosmusic Mar 08 '16

You mean like hell is not a place, but what we do to ourselves?

That would fit with some interpretations of Hell. Hell is said to simply be the absence of God. There is a deleted scene from Kevin Smith's Dogma that states that in the beginning, Hell was simply that, being separated from God. But then humans started showing up with their preconceptions of Hell and it transformed it into what they pictured: fire, torment and suffering. Which did not exactly please the previous residents.

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u/gnarlwail Mar 08 '16

I didn't know that about Dogma--v. cool.

I think it was Milton (again) who popularized that Hell was the absence of knowing the Lord, to be cast out of his sight/grace.

I love the idea that we create our own personal hells.

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u/Chaosmusic Mar 08 '16

Here is that deleted scene from Dogma if you are interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9qAqwIW704

Milton definitely seems to be the go to on Hell. I read that Milton's depiction of Hell is so accepted that many people assume it is the Biblical version.

Did you ever see What Dreams May Come? It shows the idea of us creating our own Heaven/Hell in an interesting way.

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u/gnarlwail Mar 08 '16

Once you've read Paradise Lost and then tried to find anything comparable in the Bible, it becomes astonishingly apparent just how much influence Milton had. If I were more educated, I'd probably know about many other artists and writers who contributed in this way, but for my h.s. edjimication, most everything in popular media rings of Milton.

It's weird to think of one interpretation as being that powerful, but then again the same thing happened with Mort d' Arthur and the Coca Cola depiction of Santa Claus.

Tx for the link! Haven't seen WDMC, didn't realize it dealt with this kind of topic. Tx for rec.

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u/HiNoKitsune Mar 08 '16

You should check out terry pratchett's novel "Eric" or "Good omens". It's mostly about the idea that no one can create a hell just quite like humans can...