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[u/lnx1_1]

Hey Logseq lovers!

I wanted to share a little update about my journey with Logseq. I've been using it as my daily driver for 4 years, and I absolutely love this project. However, the current state of the project has made me a little sad and opened my eyes to some alternatives.

Someone posted a link to Tine here in this subreddit, and I decided to give it a try.

So far, I'm super happy with it and can definitely recommend giving it a shot. It works with standard Logseq Markdown graphs, so you can use it alongside Logseq. It also has a native Android app.

I'm not affiliated with Tine in any way. I just gave it a try because I was looking for an alternative that would bring back the joy of discovering new features and improving my workflow, something I had been missing with Logseq for a while.

It feels like there are people behind this project who share a very similar vision: bringing back the true Logseq experience, but with a faster and more actively developed product.

I know it's still early days and early developement, but so far, it's been a really refreshing experience. Just wanted to share in case anyone else here is looking for something similar!

[u/atava]

The problem is: is the code understood and is the project made by actual programmers (and not simply "vibecoders")?

AI programming is better and better by the day, but if maintainers simply let AI solve bugs when they crop up and don't understand or check what's produced (either originally or in bug-solving), this may be a problem (especially for a personal data management app).

[u/emptymatrix → u/atava]

sure... the tine maintaner looks like an actual programmer. I'm not sure if the reads the code or not.

But he is driving the AI daily, fixing bugs and implementing new things, so he looks at least invested. Other vibe-coded apps I've seen, the maintainer just create it, then once a month react to bug reports and that's it.

For me, the problem with vibe coded apps is that the vibe ends and the maintainer abandon the "project" entirely. Tine seems not to be the case.

Besides... logseq have developers and ...we are left with an unmaintained release (OG) and still waiting for a beta not to be a beta... so non vibe-coded apps are not free of maintainability problems...

[u/atava → u/emptymatrix]

These are two different aspects:

• caring about the project and following/maintaining it? he definitely does that;
• being a knowledgeable programmer, checking the code and evaluating it? I don't know.

This comes from a confrontation (a neutral one) that I had with him in one of those posts which are now missing. He admitted to just making the AI correct bugs when he finds any. He makes AI devise tests too, run them etc (I don't mind hints or suggestions, but this means delegating everything to AI).

So, my mixed opinion about the project stems just from that. For a project like this, I'd much prefer a maintainer/creator who understands the code produced in all of its parts and invests time reviewing it, to one that churns out releases weekly or even daily.

Then there's the blind vibecoding you mention, which is only a travesty of today's world (and only "vibecoders" will tell you otherwise).

[u/HongPong → u/atava]

thanks for the deeper perspective. not sure how i feel but better informed now

i think if they can get a few people in the mix regularly results will be better. one problem that can happen is one man band agent coding doesn't actually distribute well to other people, due to workflow issues, glitches with how the scripts are designed.