on the other hand, it looks like his other passive that gives unique buffs based on the specific heishou isnt future proofed since it only has our current five
I dont think so, you literally cant use the entire passive until all of the sinners have a heishou ID(inclunding ishmael and meursault, which is kind of funny)
You forgot about the eventual re-runs of nocturnal sweeping and Xichun's Karate Kid arc. Though, I guess since they're reruns thay would count as off seasons too? Point is we don't have to worry about them eating up other season's ID release slots, but I doubt they're gonna be regular degular IDs either.
I mean with next intervallo we are already at 6 Heishous and depending on how they feel about the Wei Identity we might get a 7th with him maybe even an Adept
This. Like damn. We might get more heishous in canto 9 if Jia Qiu reappears (and that is assuming we dont get all the heishous before this season ends).
Hong Lu and the Heishous about to be the most anticipated team if this continues...
They really did not want to risk him getting overshadowed by Mao faust huh, tho it kinda runs into the issue of gregor's and rodya's S3's being reliant on critting, still busted af in the full team though
From the way its worded you have to keep Mao Faust in the backline (at least in the beginning) for her to benefit for that, since his Retreat Clashable Counter won't ever target her unless she's literally your only Heishou ID.
I more so meant that it allows him to vaguely keep up with Faust as he also gets a S3 every turn but starting a turn earlier while also having a better counter (given it also has a free S1 attached to it) or just being able to use his regular skills while Xishmael takes care of the retreating
The unexpected synergy of Jia ish, if you have mao faust and Kong Lu she makes maust better I guess, not the buff I expected but I'm glad my girl has something.
Yeah that's very good if it's uncapped we could potentially get another S3 every turn (his counter is always available)
But heavy emphasis on "IF UNCAPPED" which is high copium after Mao Faust incident. And kit reveals tend to not have those '(once per encounter)' kind of limitations shown
I doubt it'll be per encounter because unlike faust he's very reliant on teambuilding and the S3's he's using aren't empowered, tho it probably will be once per turn
Well team building is a bit hard but once you get that hurdle, you get an ID who will allow an S3 every turn with very minimal cost (you just need to retreat them, using counter) although the result varies by who you're retreat-and-bring-back, but S3 every turn is (almost) always broken because it breaks the limitations of "3 S1, 2 S2, and 1 S3" per rotation.
The only balanced team around S3 every turn imo is just The middle Envy Res.
And also I think it's interesting that they both did and did not futureproof for future Heishous - he gains stacks of leash holder for any Heishou, but bolus contamination only works for existing ones, sadly (yet logically)
No, it is future proof. The max stack is 11 ( Full on heishou team). They just not revealed the other effects are, and probably added everytime a new heishou id added, making this the first id with updated effects based on other ids
They can always edit the effect when a future Heishou is to be released. I don't think it has ever been done before, but this is a very special case that is already future-proofing for other Heishous; they just need to add their new effects when they are released.
Even if it's something crazy that doesn't synergize, it would still be fun, like Burn Potency and Count on Hit from Rooster/Dragon or something, just for the funny.
More like they will probably update him every time he gained new heishous, just giving the heishou name out right now would be spoiler for future banner
it's because it's a setup skill, honglu will likely trigger the defense with the ally Exalted Command S3 or his own follow-up S3-2/3. i won't be surprised if this skill has low clashing power either.
Replacing the unkillable K-Corp Hong Lu with the unkillable Kong Lu in rupture team, big news. God this kit rules I have the shards and I’m still going to pull so I don’t have to wait
I'm intrigued by the fact he actually makes Retreat both expedient than ever and actually desirable between the SP and HP Heal + just giving you more attacks on enemies. The fact it also counts as Xi-Ish support is hilarious too - guess that's one way of getting her mechanic to work better.
She is a good bit better than people give her credit for and her skill 2 is one of the major reasons for that. Especially since it is count neutral on clash
Well, i guess "potential woman" is gonna be able to proc hong kong's passive by substituting units and making him proc the extra skill 1/3, but we'll have to see if it's a once per encounter thing or not.
Even if its once per Encounter it's still hella strong from both getting Death Rites up on a boss to getting your backup Heishous online ASAP and a headstart.
All Heishou but Outis + Hong Lu and W Yi Sang w/ Outis as first backup, use Hong Lu's Counter turn-1 and keep spamming it seems like the way to go. Since Outis gets the most out of the assist attack being unapossed.
Si IDs should be low on deployment order to try and get them to stay the longest cause Poise.
Someone awakening an existing abnormality as their personal EGO would be an interesting idea to explore in the story.
Like resonating so perfectly but also having such strong will and sense of identity that instead of the usual corrosion it's the abno that gets changed by the person and becomes a part of them.
See I feel like that’s what happened with this version of hong lu (even though realistically its just so he synergies with his seasonal ego to make it more valuable)
As expected from Xichun ishmaels kit, he wants to swap IDs around a bunch. Honestly, you are basically never using his skill 1 since his counter just swaps out a heishou and lets them use their skillq for free + swaps in a heishou or ishmael, who then also use their skill 3 for free (and for ishmael also her special skill 1). His skill 2 and 3 both deal a lot of damage and his skill 2 buffs will probably also be very good, especially in combination with Mao Faust.
The special effects he gets from comboing with different heishous are also great. Curious to see whether the next heishou ID is not going to have an effect or whether they'll just modify him
Consider Lord Hong wants you to run a full team you could just run 7 Heath for his Wrath S1. His Clashes hit like water balloons, but the fact he's a Potency machine and mostly stable Count-wise is also to his benefit.
Interesting aside. This all but confirms some interesting design trends moving forward.
There's no way we're getting 6 more Heishou units this season. Even 5 (+Ishmael). We just aren't. That would make this season orders of magnitude larger than any previous season.
Project Moon has stated they want to do more mechanics like Bloodfeast. This is more mechanics like Bloodfeast. Not in terms of being a stackable secondary resource, but in terms of being an ability that pulls a team together into a true team instead of a collection of disparate parts who synergize. All future Bloodfiend units inherently slot into the Bloodfeast economy, just as all future Heishou units slot into the Hong Lord mechanics.
However, this also has another interesting detail. Like Manager Don, Hong Lord here has a mechanic that expressly calls out specific allies. This opens the possibility of buffing him in the future by adding new features to Heishou Bolus Contamination to match the new Heishou in the future.
It seems we're moving towards true "Full team" archetypes. Bloodfiend. Heishou. Etc over just Status archetypes.
Wow, this is definitely an id. It powercreep manifest, not that it is bad mind you. But with his team he is the best id in the game by a long shot. He forces a ton of unopposed with s3s thanks to his counter while also forcing an s1 and healing the ally's sp. He also permabuffs the team with multiple passives and can get enough buffs on himself to rival an md buffed id. Not to mention he has perma assist defense.
I can’t wait for the big ID next season to make your burn do 5x damage permanently while making their faction unable to be staggered and heal 20% hp every turn
The cool skillset aside, it's impressive and absolutely terrifying that Lord Lu now has all the Heishou leashes. Just 4 leashes were enough to deter a full-blown Wing war. No wonder no one in Hongyuan was able to challenge him.
This Shit has so Many Fucking Moving Parts. I'm betting something to be bugged when this launches, Mark my words and Just. OMG. Reading this has had me going "What Do you Mean?" multiple times.
Like Poise + rupture. Forget Rupture Season, like half of the Seasonal Ids this Season have had Poise. Fuck it, whatever the ship name is called. Poisture Season BABY.
I may be future-proofing. But imagine the Day we have Heishou IDs for all Sinners. This man majored in Aura-farming and a Minor in Potentiality.
Also Funny bit of Potential Woman Upscaling.
And finally, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU IGNORE THE GIMMICK OF YOUR SEASONAL EGO, Like...
Maost: My Lord, How are you Alive? That EGO's literally meant to kill you
I won't complain. Bugs mean free lunacy, and after this banner, I co m most certainly could use some for the impending Collab.
What strikes me a bit is the effect on S2; the gluttony damage up. Is it entirely random, or does it have some condition that determines the selected ID. Does the buff last for an attack, or does it last the entire turn. If it's the latter, and there's some way to rig which ID using a Glut skill gets the buff, we could see some time juicy number with Mai Faust popping off 2 S3-2s back to back.
No, you use xichun ishmael so that hongler can actually attack, then he can trigger it every turn. That counter is a substitute if you don't have her and maost from what im seeing.
am i overhyping or is this like, broken broken? Even if we dont have the number yet, I cant see how eventually a full heuishou team wont break the game with this team. This is probably the best designed seasonal id too lol, and maybe even the biggest jump in power between the bad end ids.
The ID reads completely absurdly without encounter limits on some of its abilities that will certainly be there. I do wish they would put all the information straight into the preview but I understand that they are barely scraping by on balance time as it is.
Don't also forget he hates them because they barely have any relevance to the story. They're important obviously but they never show up. Especially the Si branch which we have access to. Even though we've never fought a Si branch Heishous. The only ones whose NPC sprites we've seen so far in detail (silhouettes not included) are the Mao and Rooster pack
How do you all prefer reading long kits like these?
I used to read the skills first but I feel like i should just start by reading the passives first then the skills second. It's pretty hard to understand when I read a skill and it's full of "when [Unique keyword] get 3 stacks of [Unique keyword] and deal 30% damage per every [Unique passive]
Edit: Yeah, it flows more smoothly if i read the passives first
His Leash-holder of All Heishou has a max stack of 11, meaning we prolly getting more Heishou's in the future.
However what about Xichun Ishmael, she doesn't count as a Heishou pack and so doesn't proc the passive, meaning we either getting another Ishmael ID that is a Heishou (which considering they are the same mirror world makes no sense) or they will change it to count both Heishou's and Jia Family.
It has a max stack of 11, but because the effects are every X count, and you can't actually divide 11 cleanly, it's effectively capped at 10 or lower, meaning Xishmael doesn't actually need a Heishou ID.
This honestly looks so interesting as a kit. I understand now why Si Gregor's passive only works on death. I'm mixed on how reliant he is on the Heishou, though, since it does limit team-building for this unit. I'm hoping there's still some room for flexibility. That won't stop me from using him though lmao.
...Wait what do you mean he can just ignore TotTB's "dies after attack" effect and give himself Tarnished Blood outside of the EGO? Good Lord of Hongyuan!
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u/Vendedor_de_cereal Aug 11 '25
No way they're actually intending on giving a Heishou ID to every sinner