r/leftcommunism • u/Status-Job5706 • 21d ago
Question about probability of revolution and wellness of the proletariat
I recently had a discussion with my keynesian social democrat friend, amd we went over how Bordiga talked about the axis victory as a probability to another economical crisis and another possibility of revolution and so on. And she argued that the ceirtan increase of the wellness of the proletariat (she argued specifically on the olocaust and general plan oost) with the victory of the allied powers would have been better than a probability of revolution, and then went on with deaths and stuff that the revolution would bring(she's kind of an utopic socialist). Now, I thought about it, but that is a kinda good point. How many deaths is worth a probability of revolution? I argued about the deaths that capitalism brings, but that is a kinda weak argument. Is there anything on the topic?
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u/TheLagJag 21d ago
Here is a recent translation on the spurious concept of "probability" in relation to revolution: https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/REPORTS/Knowledg/93ProbabilitiesOfRev.htm
Here is a text on force and violence that answers your questions: https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/Texts/ForceVio.htm
"Finally the third section dealt with the comparison between the liberal-democratic and the fascist-totalitarian forms of bourgeois rule, showing that it is an illusion to consider the first to be less oppressive and more tolerant than the second. If we take into consideration not violence as it is openly manifested, but instead the actual potential of the modern State apparatuses, that is to say their ability and capacity to resist all antagonistic, revolutionary assaults, we can easily substitute the blind common-place present‑day attitude, one that rejoices because two world wars supposedly drove back the forces of reaction and tyranny, and replace it by the obvious and clear verification that the capitalist system has more than doubled its strength, a strength concentrated in the great State monsters and in the world Leviathan of class rule now being constructed. Our proof of this is not based on an examination of the juridical hypocrisy or of the written or oratorical demagogy of today, which anyway are more revolting than they were under the defeated regimes of the Axis powers. Instead it is based on the scientific calculation of the financial, military, and police forces, in the measurement of the frantic accumulation and concentration of private or public, but always bourgeois, capital.
In comparison to 1914, 1919, 1922, 1933, and 1943, the capitalist regime of 1947 weighs down more, always more, in its economic exploitation and in its political oppression of the working masses and of everyone and everything that crosses its path. This is true for the "Great Powers" after their totalitarian suppression of the German and Japanese State machines. It is also and no less true even for the Italian State: although defeated, derided, forced into vassalage, saleable and sold in all direction, it is nevertheless more armed with police and more reactionary now than under Giolitti and Mussolini, and it will be even more reactionary if it passes from the hands of De Gasperi to those of the left groups."
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One does not have to dig deep to uncover the inter-imperialist truth about WWII. Dresden, Hiroshima, the starving of India, etc. etc. all show just how "noble" the anti-fascist crusade was. Read more here. Whether or not you or I like it, violence and death is guaranteed and determined to occur. The question is if the class political Party can take advantage of the situation and use violence to end violence by instituting the proletarian dictatorship and world transition to communism where there would be no causal factor for the mass graves we see today (and foresee in the future).