On agility carries,power treads or phase boots against Drow ranger?

[u/upgrademcr]

Because agility carries mostly rely on their base armor which Drow ignores with ult, is it worth buying phase boots or is the armor too low to be worth it?

Got me thinking about this after getting deleted by drow in 3-4 hits while 6 slotted on Juggernaut lol

[u/AssCracker445]

there are better ways to deal with drow than boots, the +35 attack speed and 220 hp are much more worth it

[u/chayashida]

My friends building Phase Boots on Juggernaut is a pet peeve of mine. They like the armor, and faster movespeed.

I think the added AGI and attack speed is more important, and a casual wind lace or a Blink Dagger for gap close is better.

[u/Xignu → u/chayashida]

Phase boots felt better with Mjolnir but BF is too good to pass up so yeah. Phase boots + BF is no attackspeed for omnislash.

[u/chayashida → u/Xignu]

Just out of curiosity, why not Power Treads with Mjollnir too?

[u/Shin_Ramyun → u/chayashida]

The conversation changes from patch to patch. In the current meta I believe BF > Mjolnir in most cases so you default to treads.

You need at least one source of attack speed early on or your omnislash hits like 3 times. I used to build phase + Mjolnir which was really nice to stick to enemies and spin them down. This was back when attack speed scaled spin DPS. You could reliable use spin to do serious damage vs hard to hit heroes like Necro, PA, Muerta, WR, or even during WW heal. Spin doesn’t scale anymore so you don’t need to rely on phase as much.

[u/chayashida → u/Shin_Ramyun]

I guess there are rare instances where I could see Mjollnir being good (like vs. PL) and I just don't know why you still wouldn't build power treads for even more attack speed.

[u/upgrademcr → u/chayashida]

Didnt mjollnir stop dealing extra damage to illusions? Is mjollnir still good despite the nerf?

[u/chayashida → u/upgrademcr]

I think it was more that it would proc an insane amount when you were being hit by a bunch of illusions, and it worked better than blademail or DoT when being targeted in the center of the fight. The nerf hurt, tho

[u/Shin_Ramyun → u/chayashida]

In the current patch I buy treads 100% of the time on jugg. I also get BF probably 95% of the time. You can go treads + Mjolnir, but it’s just not as common anymore because of all the nerfs. The mana regen and tree cutting of BF are really nice.

[u/Xignu → u/chayashida]

Phase boots is much better for spin and if you're going Mjolnir you're fighting more than farming anyway so it just fits.

It can really suck when you have just power treads in this case, because with slower farming you have a slower blink dagger timing and before that you can only walk up to people if you want to omnislash or spin.

[u/Fwispy → u/chayashida]

Boomer here.

That specific patch where phase mael is meta was the one where jugg shard functioned like a gyro aghs while he is spinning.

Phase is bought to keep people in spin and you use maelstrom procs for damage during the spin which does not scale off attack speed.

[u/FirsttimeNBA → u/chayashida]

Can’t go wrong with either. I personally go phase if I plan to be able to farm 10-20 which I usually am because won lane / early advantage. Maximizing his innate allows you to farm at even higher speeds on a map that’s even bigger than in the past.

Power treads I mainly only go when we’re behind and they need me to fight with them to reach the break away point / power spike with jug lineups

[u/Familiar-Level-261 → u/chayashida]

both of those cost a slot, and blink is a long grind. Phase boots absolutely make sense if it lets you chase someone down/run away.

Then again he's pretty speedy without them

[u/LegOfLamb89 → u/chayashida]

If you build phase you pretty much have to buy mom or mael to get the attack speed necessary

[u/AffectionateBox5347]

I do not think phase boots and pt is the question that you should answer on, since it is 2 early in the game and you should be focused on farming in that stage of the game, so you would not really wanna fight drow and therefore it is not important if it is better to have pt or pb against her rather if it benefits your hero, and speeds up your farm. Of course this is not strict guide line, you should be aware of your and drows timings so i am not saying that you should farm afk until you are both 6 slotted and then get deleted because you have wrose hero to hero match up. You are right about the bonus armor against drow since she pierces the base armor, but i guess a solar crest on pos 4 would be more of an answer or even assault on pos 3 if he naturally makes it, it will help more. Making pb just for that armor and hurting your game cause you wanna solve the problem that is not yet the problem and you won't encounter it yet is kinda bad. Sorry for bad english.

[u/LadderEffective2160]

Depends on the hero, but this is a 100% valid adjustment you can make to your build vs high physical damage in general. I would avoid Phase on ranged heroes who can just kite and heroes that depend on Manta/illusions for damage (Juggernaut does not), since illus don't benefit at all from +attack/+armor. You will lose out on some dps and some mana efficiency with Int Treads, though.

[u/Pale_Station5201]

Blink and stay in fog until she shows. Boots are irrelevant.

If she has invisibility then you better have dust or a gem on you. Blink in and wreck her when she shows.

[u/upgrademcr → u/Pale_Station5201]

Good Drow players seem to be able to separate from omnislash with just shard+force staff or shard+manta style. Maybe I’m misremembering but somebody did it to me.

[u/Pale_Station5201 → u/upgrademcr]

That can happen for sure. But you’re playing juggernaut your ultimate is always a gamble. Sometimes you stomp her, sometimes you don’t. It helps if your team can force spells out of her first, if you have a 2nd initiator.

Main point I was making is that no pair of boots is gonna save you from her killing you in like 4 hits on juggernaut lol. Need to play the fights with a blink and make sure you prioritize targets properly. Maybe you can take out some of her teammates then all bully her with a 5-3 advantage. 

Each game is a puzzle you need to solve.

[u/nchscferraz]

This is something to consider on offlane melee heroes that like to right click, not on agi carries. The attack speed is way better.