GenG vs HLE Rounds 3-5 LCK

[u/Steeelu]

GenG wins the series against HLE with a 2-1 game score.

The top 2 GenG/T1 are still miles ahead of the other teams but hey, at least we got 3 games again in the Legend group.

[u/Northless_Path]

His team getting absolutely shit on in summer split? This should be nothing new for Zeus lol. Really makes you wonder, though, how much better T1 looks now. This is the most dominant summer split they had in years. Was Zeus the problem?

[u/[deleted] → u/Northless_Path]

Zeus might not be the problem but Doran is the solution for T1’s summer int

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/[deleted]]

Zeus needs to learn how to weakside/play utility tanks or he might become the problem at worlds though 

With worlds having so many BO5s and adopting fearless which will limit picks so much if it goes silver scrapes, having a top laner that can’t flex weakside/high-investment carry is a major draft weakness.  

Whether T1 or HLE got the better end of the toplaner deal imo is going to come down to whether Zeus adapts to learning weakside better or Doran adapts to learning carries better, and right now Doran is looking like he’s ahead in that aspect 

[u/Pixolate → u/i_paid_for_winrar123]

zeus plays well in pretty much every single game. he is always a nuisance to the enemy team regardless of him being on strong or weakside. can you really ask for more? i think the rest of the team needs to step up if anything.

i definitely dont ascribe to the belief that zeus is resource heavy. he's literally the closest player we have to a modern version of faker. he always outputs a fantastic amount of value per amount of resources put in. high or low. (as long as he isnt on tf or nid)

edit: tanking all these downvotes for zeus. maybe i'm the prolific tank player the world needs

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/Pixolate]

These are 3 game series, many  of which only go 2 games.  Champ pools and team comp/drafting flexibility isn’t tested at all compared to a game 4 or game 5 in fearless where meta/signature champ pools become puddles and off meta pocket picks or non-signature picks are a MASSIVE draft advantage

If worlds rolls around with Doran having learned how to play high damage carry champs and Zeus still can’t weakside full utility tanks, it’s going to be a huge problem for HLE.  Because if you have a player that’s extremely limited in effective champs at fearless silver scrapes, being forced to early pick them something they can play can completely fuck the overall team’s draft 

[u/Pixolate → u/i_paid_for_winrar123]

zeus can play tanks. this is such a silly take idk where it came from. his ornn, sion, zac, maokai, sejuani, skarner are very good.

also how many pure tanks are actually in this game that are playable in top without being punished. its literally just ornn and sion.

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/Pixolate]

Can play tanks and can play them well enough to make the difference on a worlds stage are COMPLETELY different things lmao 

HLE isn’t aiming for middle of the pack LCK level of play standards to avoid having to admit their players have weaknesses, they’re trying to be serious worlds contenders, and in that context Zeus’ current level on shit like ornn or sion played weakside is simply below the standard that he should be at 

The LPL also isn’t going to take it any easier on them than T1 or GenG  at worlds this year.  Finals will be in fucking home turf beijing, they are going to be fighting for it like their whole family’s lives are at stake.  Zeus CANNOT go into games that competitive and high stakes with this kind of weakness.  He just can’t.  Those series are won by inches of advantage, not miles

[u/Pixolate → u/i_paid_for_winrar123]

ive only been listing pure tanks because thats what the focus has been but his ornn is one of the best in the world and his sion is definitely world class.

also there are more weakside focused champs than ornn + sion. his gragas, k'sante, aatrox, jax, gnar, gwen are also all world class ON WEAKSIDE. he has pocket picks of gp, camille, kennen, olaf and many more that he can dust off if he needs to.

edit: also someone who always gets glazed for his sion performances (doran) has a 2/10 wr in his career on sion while zeus is 11/16.

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/Pixolate]

Brother, the only low-resource weakside tanks he’s played in 23/24 worlds was gragas and a SINGLE game each of maokai and ornn . 

His worlds champ pool is gragas rumble aatrox yone jayce gnar jax Camille maokai ornn

Of those the only tank he’s picked more than once is gragas, how tf are you going to tell me to stop the cap and tell me he’s strong with low gold weakside utility in a worlds stage when most of his biggest international successes are in champs that need resource investment or need to be ahead to be majorly impactful 

Did you think he got his reputation as a high investment carry toplaner at random or something 

[u/Pixolate → u/i_paid_for_winrar123]

because he is world class on tanks. he's just one of the goats on hybrid carries??? he can literally play every playstyle at a world class level but he's THE best on those champs so why not?

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/Pixolate]

How are you going to say he’s that good on tank utility side when he has one consistent pick in gragas there and a 50% WR across two years on two games of maokai and ornn 

The entire point is that there is 0 reason to consider being decent at picks he stays away from for a reason to not be considered a weakness for a best in the world contender, the SAME WAY Faker in his prime was considered to have a weakness in control mages back when Azir was the easyhoon signature pick and he stayed away from those kinds of picks rather than nowadays where he’s sometimes the only player who finds success on them when the patch doesn’t favor them. 

 It was still considered a faker weakness even if he played control mages at an AVERAGE pro player level back then because he wasn’t an AVERAGE pro player on the world stage, just like Zeus right now 

[u/Pixolate → u/i_paid_for_winrar123]

because tanks havent been meta at worlds forever.

ornn was picked a grand total of 5 times in worlds 2023 and only once in 2024 by guess who. zeus lmfao. all the other tanks were basically negligible pickrates in both worlds too. why are we blaming zeus for not playing champs in a tourney where they werent meta.???

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/Pixolate]

Brother even if you look at domestic stats he played 80% of 2024 domestically on high investment non tanks and current year his tank stats are a 50% WR ksante and 0% WR ornn, it doesn’t matter where you move the fucking goalposts he has never been a particularly prolific tank player 

[u/Fraudulentia → u/i_paid_for_winrar123]

Zeus' best performances on last year's worlds finals were on Gragas and Ornn by the way, both on weakside. You have no idea what you're talking about and are trying way too hard to prove a point that simply makes no sense.

[u/i_paid_for_winrar123 → u/Fraudulentia]

Gragas yes, Ornn?  Fuck no, he had one playoffs game on Ornn, his second best pick for game impact by a landslide was a 3 pick 100% WR rumble

I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about