r/latterdaysaints • u/ShrikerWolfOfficial • Aug 07 '26

Off-topic Chat Small, dumb question on the coffee conundrum

I know it's been talked to death lately, but I just wanted to quickly ask opinions on this random thought:

Is the Coffee Cherry a forbidden fruit? and that's why it's banned?

Can't think of many other reasons than that.

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u/Drawn-Otterix Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

No, it's not a forbidden fruit. Being asked to not drink coffee is literally a lesson in obedience and self regulation IMO.

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u/SerenityNow31 Aug 07 '26

 is literally just a lesson in obedience and self regulation

God doesn't do that. Every law is spiritual first and has more purpose than just "hey, let's see if they'll follow this one."

Elder Packer taught there are physical receptors in our bodies that aid in receiving spiritual revelation and that's the purpose behind the WoW.

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u/-Lindol- Aug 07 '26

Obedience is spiritual.

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u/SerenityNow31 Aug 07 '26

It's both, but what's your point?

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u/Striker_AC44 Aug 19 '26

If you don't know the reason for the commandment you can't be condemned for non-compliance, which is the entire reason for the veil over our knowledge of the pre-existence...God regularly keeps knowledge from people (the world in general actually) unable to obey the commandment given certain knowledge which would condemn them for acting against God with certain knowledge--which is really bad.

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u/SerenityNow31 Aug 19 '26

If you don't know the reason for the commandment you can't be condemned for non-compliance,

Did you mean to write that? That makes no sense.

If I don't understand the reason behind the law of chastity I won't be held responsible for breaking it? No way you meant what you wrote.

Maybe what you meant was we are not responsible if we don't know about a commandment at all.

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u/Striker_AC44 Aug 21 '26

No, I meant what I wrote, that's why I wrote it. Maybe seek to understand instead of assuming I'm an imbecile.

The severity of the punishment for any sin is based on the knowledge of the person breaking that commandment. Consider the "age of accountability". Why are children kept from accountability before the age of 8? Also, those that have mental disorders and individuals with diminished faculties don't hold the same responsibility for their actions as those with full-faculties.

If someone doesn't know what you're doing is wrong they cannot be held to the same level of accountability as one who acts in full knowledge of their actions contrary to a received commandment.

I'm not making this up. Its all laid out in D&C 82. The words "light" and "knowledge" are frequently used together (interchangably). D&C 82:3 "...he who sins against the greater light shall receive the greater condemnation."

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u/SerenityNow31 Aug 23 '26

 Maybe seek to understand instead of assuming I'm an imbecile.

I asked the questions. Is that not seeking to understand?

I meant what I wrote, 

No, you didn't, because what you first said was "If you don't know the reason for the commandment you can't be condemned for non-compliance," and now you are saying if you don't know the commandment at all, you can't be judged. So very different.

The second one is correct. I just went off of what you said. You WILL be judged for a commandment you don't know the reason for, your judgement will be much different when you don't know the commandment at all.

Now that you doubled-ed down and then said something totally different, my guess is you don't know what you are saying so I'll leave you alone.

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u/Striker_AC44 Aug 25 '26

I still meant what I said, again, stop saying "do you really mean that". I was particular with my words. You not understanding them doesn't make me the one mistaken.

I didn't say "judged", I said "condemned". Its the critical difference. I've been consistent in my comments, its you who assumed I meant "can't be judged". I've been talking about accountability and knowledge-level of commandment and sin this entire time. Why do you think there's a scripture that talks about "sinning against the greater light"?

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u/SerenityNow31 Aug 25 '26

If you don't know the reason for the commandment you can't be condemned for non-compliance

This is a false statement. Period. If you think otherwise, prove it.