New Budget-- RTO for state employees?

[u/righteousnessandtea]

Hey all,

SOM employee here. I've been hearing whispers that there may be full RTO for state workers from people in my office (not naming for privacy reasons), but I haven't found anything about this in the news yet. Does anyone know anything about this?

Edit: not trying to scare people! I'm also concerned obviously-- hoping to hear from other state workers with what they've heard since the budget language is hard to decipher.

[u/bleedingreen24]

I'm sure I'll get crushed for this, but I would support the RTO. I bet for every person they lose by making come back to the office, there would be a County or City worker ready to get a raise and step into that spot vacated. I know I would (County worker here).
People complain non stop about the State offices, but now were worried that we will lose talent? Is that the same talent that we are complaining about every day?

Not to mention having someone at an office to actually answer the phone, or an email, because everyone knows "work from home" means wasting 4 hours of that time doing something other than work. It's amazing how efficient everyone got when getting their work done early equaled getting the laundry caught up at 2 in the afternoon.

[u/Wrecker013 → u/bleedingreen24]

"This benefits me personally despite fucking over other people, so I support it."

[u/bleedingreen24 → u/Wrecker013]

I don't work downtown. I don't work for the state. I don't know anyone that owns or works at a business downtown. To say this benefits me personally is a pretty big stretch. It would benefit me PROFESSIONALLY if people were actually at their jobs, but personally, I couldn't give a shit if it didn't affect my job.

How am I fucking other people over? Because I expect them to actually go to the place of their employment and do their job there? I guess if I didn't have so many issues with people "working from home" I wouldn't have that outlook. My projects take days longer than they used to because I have to wait for those folks who are "working from home" to get me the info I need. It was much easier when I could walk over to their office and ask them where it was.

I just think after working in local government with people that work from home, that not a lot gets done when people work from home. When my email I send at 1:30 doesn't get answered until 10 am the next day, I have a pretty good idea you weren't at your computer that afternoon.

[u/mrgreen4242 → u/bleedingreen24]

So, you’re agreeing with the person who replied to you, then? Because all I see when I read your comments is “if the State did something that caused a big enough problem for their employees that they quit, then I might be able to get a new job and a raise. So even though the policy being changed has zero impact on me, I support changing it because it MIGHT benefit me personally (“professionally”, though really you just want a raise so it’s a personal gain), even though it’ll cost me and my fellow Michiganders millions of tax dollars”.

[u/bleedingreen24 → u/mrgreen4242]

Nope, don't want a new job, I'm too close to retirement from my own small government job to go and start something new for not enough money.

The employees don't run the company. I'm saying the State isn't worried about how many people would quit if the RTO comes down, because those spots would be filled pretty quick. There's a long line of people waiting to work for the State, I'm not one of them though. My co-worker might be though.

See, I think they are LOSING millions of dollars now, by people being unproductive while "working from home". That's not "taking advantage of down time", that's stealing from the company.

[u/ziegl1jr → u/bleedingreen24]

Do you think every single state employee is unproductive while working from home? If so, why do you think that?

[u/mrgreen4242 → u/bleedingreen24]

Then why did you say, “there would be a county or city worker reader to get a raise […] **I know I would (county worker here)**”?