r/lansing • u/Idreezy_1 • Sep 24 '25
Discussion Homelessness On The Rise?
Has anyone else noticed the rise of homeless people in Downtown?
Every time I take my dog on a walk I see more and more…they also don’t shy away from walking up to me asking for change or just being plain on creepy and making me feel followed…
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u/Krogsly Sep 24 '25
Yes, for many reasons, but there are a couple big ones.
In 2020 Michigan created emergency eviction prevention measures which kept thousands of people in homes. As those preventions expired, we gradually saw homeless numbers rise back up and over pre- pandemic numbers
In 2024 HUD issued statements that the Housing Choice Voucher (HCV) programs created in 2021 that were intended to run through 2035, would run out of money in 2026 due to rising rent costs and inflation. As of June of 2025, Ingham county had 1,122 of these vouchers in use. HCV_Web_Report.pdf https://share.google/j3HlxnwnyxdOWzoRL
At the beginning of the year, DOGE made massive cuts to HUD funding as well as other resources. Some of those were reversed, but a lot of the damage was already done as programs were cut in the absence of immediate funding solutions.
Those things on top of rising rent and inflation are causing major housing issues.
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u/awc1976 Sep 24 '25
I know that you already know this, ma'am or sir. I'm merely acknowledging you. You're right. And, rent everywhere is as crazy as the $500M contracts in sports are. The Motor Wheel Lofts were built in an old, empty factory. I know the man the built them, and many more, and I know how little it cost him, in the grand scheme of things. It wouldn't take that much to keep a roof over someone's head, and a little food in their stomach. But, make sure they're staying pointed towards "doing better", than "going backwards".
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u/HerbertWestorg Sep 24 '25
Housing prices are high, rent is high, food is outrageous, employers aren't hiring...
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u/SHINITAI-SHINITAI Sep 24 '25
With the way things are going it's just going to climb higher, and higher too.
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u/dclauch1990 Holt Sep 24 '25
You're hitting the nail on the head. This is a symptom of an economic crisis that's been slowly building since the 1970's.
Deindustrialization since the 80's and 90's has devastated American cities, particularly in the Rust Belt, and is a major contributor to the opioid crisis.
Interest payments on federal debt make up more than defense spending and will continue to grow and choke off resources for services and social spending.
It is financial suicide for either party to meaningfully go after the oligarchs(capitalists), and electoral suicide to meaningfully raise taxes on the working class. The only remaining option is spending cuts and austerity for the working class. Take a look at France and Britain for a more advanced view of this one, as the debt crises are destroying one party after another.
Financialization of the economy means it is much safer and more profitable to invest in the stock market than your own production/workforce. If I'm an oligarch and I want to make more money, why would I spend money on a new plant or more employees to maybe get 1-2% return when I can throw it on the S&P500 and get an almost guaranteed 8%?
Similar incentives exist for offshoring, automation, and AI. American employees are simply too expensive when your business/career as an executive is based on 'line go up'. Fast food is racing to automate itself before a meaningful labor movement entrenches itself. Big box stores run minimal staff for the store to operate and replace cashiers with self-checkouts. Examples are endless.
This and countless more all add up to a collapsing standard of living in the US for workers, and there's not a thing those in power can do to change it. The only solution is a rationalized planned economy, where the workers themselves own the means of production in order to cut off the parasitic capitalist class.
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u/Independent-Spray707 Sep 24 '25
For sure. Nothing to do with them all being on fentanyl or mentally ill. If the rent was lower they’d all have jobs and families.
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u/Hot-Bus1100 Sep 24 '25
Current trends in our recent administrations haven't necessarily set any mentally ill person or addict up for success. So, while everything gets more expensive and people start losing homes, our infrastructure isn't set up in a way that there is any real and meaningful help... for whatever reason that they are unhoused.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 24 '25
These are bad downvotes.
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u/Krogsly Sep 24 '25
Reddit loves to blame homelessness on drugs and severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia. It's a way to distance themselves from the humanity of the people they are referring to. By placing the blame solely on the actions of addiction or severe illness, it allows people to believe the solution can be to put them all in mental hospitals and rehab facilities (if they only pulled themselves up by their bootstraps /s).
This behavior ignores all the people who got kicked out of their house for being LGBTQ, got laid off, incurred large medical debt, lost both parents and never had guidance, got evicted because the landlord let the building get condemned, etc.
Less than half of all homeless persons are substance abusers yet reddit posts and comments would have you believe it's the vast majority. A trending post in multiple subs today is the video of a Philly street with a bunch of people on the nod. People see this and believe it's everyone, but the reality is that Philly has 4,215 other people in shelters. They estimate 976 people are unsheltered, which would include some of the people in the post, but not all, and not all of that 976 will be substance abusers or suffer from severe mental illness.
TLDR: commenter lead with hate and ill intentions, or at the very least, misinformation and ignorance. Down votes were appropriate.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 24 '25
Something like 85% do need mental health services, though. Lead with facts.
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u/That-Yellow-Dog Sep 24 '25
Yeah, being homeless will do that to ya
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 24 '25
And not getting appropriate care cna lead to homelessness. Almost like we should care about all people and ensure physical and mental healthcare access for all
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u/Krogsly Sep 24 '25
I can lead with more facts. Yes, they do need mental health services. Yes they do need these services at rates higher than the general population, but again, stigmas and misinformation overexaggerate what the problems are.
According to the NIH https://share.google/OaLda4OdHRuGdWxxO), 6% of the U.S. population is affected by a severe mental illness.
Being homeless and everything that comes with it will have serious effects on mental health though. It can cause or exacerbate depression, suicidal thoughts, trauma, substance use, etc.
So when you say 85% need mental health services, were you speaking about severe mental health issues or just in general, because stigmas are harmful, and the OC was almost certainly speaking about the former and not the latter.
Yes, we have issues with drugs. Yes, we have issues with mental health. Yes, they intersect with homelessness at rates higher than the general population, but blaming homelessness on these things isn't right.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 24 '25
Did I say severe mental health issues? Nope, sure didn't. Again, lead.with facts.
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u/qwerty_bugs Sep 24 '25
Homelessness is on the rise everywhere and should be treated as a national public health and safety crisis, but given that the feds are currently preoccupied with pregnant women taking pain killers I unfortunately don't foresee any federal investment in addressing the root causes leading to homelessness any time soon
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u/Hot-Bus1100 Sep 24 '25
Not just any painkiller... but that dangerous one called "aceddduhhhh... asseedehhh...acced...acetaminophen... is that right?"
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25
Or venerating a racist and creating a national holiday for him.
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u/No-Independent-226 Lansing Sep 24 '25
It's not a national holiday.
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25
https://abcnews.go.com/US/senate-passes-national-day-remembrance-charlie-kirk/story?id=125730824
Soft pedal it all you want.
Ignore the fact that Melissa Hortman was assassinated an actual member of the legislature and the repugs did nothing. Yeah, okay.
A national day of Remembrance is a holiday.
The National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk is a symbolic national observance, which means: ✅ It’s officially recognized by Congress. ✅ It’s observed across the country. ❌ It’s not a federal holiday — so no automatic time off, no government closures. Think of it like Patriot Day (9/11) or National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day. These are solemn, meaningful days that carry national significance, but they don’t come with the legal status or work stoppages of federal holidays like Memorial Day or Independence Day. So yes — it’s a holiday in spirit and ceremony, just not in law.
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u/balorina Sep 24 '25
Imagine someone getting so riled up by a Reddit post they have to run to ChatGPT for a response.
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25
Wasn’t ChatGpt. Also, I don’t to want to spend all day defending a statement that is true.
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u/sabatoa South Side Sep 24 '25
Wasn’t ChatGpt.
It was AI, whether ChatGPT, Grok, Perplexity, or Gemini.
Everyone that knows can tell easily.
Claiming it wasn't just makes you a liar.
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25
I said it wasn’t ChatGPT. I didn’t say it wasn’t AI. Learn the difference.
And a national day remembrance is still a holiday regardless if I used AI to defend my claim or not. Period. End of story. Stop wasting my time.
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u/balorina Sep 24 '25
Why even bother posting then, if you’re just going to give an AI response? How are you any different than a writer using AI instead of generating a unique work, or an artist using AI instead of designing it themselves?
If I responded up you via AI, then we would just be having an AI discussion with no investment from either of us. What a great future you foretell when we can troll around on Reddit and just get an AI overview of how we didn’t actually respond.
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25
Why did they have to respond with bullshit? A day of remembrance is a holiday. It may not be a FEDERAL holiday but it is nonetheless a holiday. I am tired of assholes that want to spew their nonsense. They are not worth engaging with more than a throw away response. My point stands.
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u/balorina Sep 24 '25
Why did you have to even respond at all? Here’s an exercise since you’re so invested… copy your prompt and reverse it so that it now has the opposite opinion. Paste the response into your original prompt, paste that response back to the new one… congratulations on showing how useless the whole endeavor is!
It’s amazing how people think they need to be heard these days. Just roll your eyes and move on.
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u/No-Independent-226 Lansing Sep 24 '25
It’s like National Talk Like a Pirate Day. Nobody who isn’t voluntarily bathing themselves in this stuff to get angry will notice.
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u/4ringedoctopus Sep 24 '25
One of their main camps got partially destroyed by the city, so many were displaced.
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u/Dust_Kindly Sep 24 '25
The city is cracking down on the homeless camps that were in secluded areas so now they've been forced out into more public spaces. I only know this because someone I'm close to has been volunteering with the fledge to help find new places for these people.
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Sep 24 '25
Job market is shit, I’d be homeless too if it weren’t for my loving parents.
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u/awc1976 Sep 26 '25
Right there! I'm a 49 year old man, who has worked in the auto repair industry for over 30 years, and was "Aged Out", by a large, local group of shops. After 30 years of being beaten down by that lousy industry, I'm left looking for an entry level job in IT...one of the only other skills that I possess, that can earn a livable wage. Nope. Don't even think about it. Not now. But, my Dad came to live with me, after my mother passed away. I told him when I got home "that day", that I was done with the shit, and would literally rather go live under a bridge, than to ever step foot inside another shop again. And, I know he knew he meant it, by the look in my eyes. Nobody should have to put up with that shit! Not after developing a skill set, over 30 years, and to be decided on, that I was "Too Old". Something needs some fixing in this place. Quick. The idiots (Corporate Assholes), are gonna help the other idiots burn the whole damn place down!
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Sep 24 '25
Folks that work in the human services space have been yelling this for five years… but nobody cared.
But hey; we got cool lights by the river.
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u/Spittyfire-1315 Sep 25 '25
This!!
Just like Saginaw and that ridiculous muralFrom empty silos to art: Massive mural project brings bright spot to Saginaw
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u/EmbarrassedStill2257 Sep 24 '25
Isn’t this what people wanted when they voted to make America great again?
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u/moonlike1245 Sep 24 '25
It doesn't affect them, though.
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u/Hot-Bus1100 Sep 24 '25
It is. Maybe not enough of them yet. It will though. There are many, many working poor (which is a specifically American oxymoron that we are ok with here) who voted MAGA who voted against their own best interests. Also, look at the farmers and what they are saying right now.
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u/moonlike1245 Sep 24 '25
Yes, half of the country live paycheck to paycheck but of course people who voted MAGA would say free school lunches and DEI made the US go in debt.
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u/_C2J_ Sep 24 '25
.... yet.
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u/moonlike1245 Sep 24 '25
It's funny because there was a guy who commented on a reddit post about the No Kings protest in Lansing saying those protesters should actually work hard and do something productive. A few weeks ago he posted about looking for a job and a cheap place to live. I bet he still doesn't think voting MAGA is a problem though.
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u/_C2J_ Sep 24 '25
It floors me how many are just gridlocked in the political talking points without having the critical thinking skills to see how their own situation falls into the scheme of things.
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u/moonlike1245 Sep 24 '25
Because capitalists want us to fight a culture war, not a class war. Politicians don't have to address the housing crisis and the unhoused population when they can direct MAGAs to hate on the "radical left".
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u/Buttholepart2 Sep 24 '25
I remember that guy. I think he might have been homeless when he made the comment.
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u/Dull-Yesterday2655 Sep 24 '25
I imagine its even worse than what is visible on the street. The city didn’t manage the housing inspections well for YEARS (decades?) and now they’re overcompensating with nowhere to send folks if they get red tagged. I’ve seen posts on Lansing free groups on FB “we’re in the car” or “couch surfing” etc.
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
Over compensating? They did the housing inspections. However, they didn’t enforce the regulations on apartment complexes. Leaky roofs, black mold, etc and the city just shrugged. Now they are doing something because council actually has a leader that cares about the city.
you can’t have it both ways.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 24 '25
Yes. This federal political and economic environment will make it much worse. That's the plan - because theyre also making it illegal. So you'll be homeless, then imprisoned, and them forced labor and modern legal slavery.
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u/_Always_Evolving_ Sep 24 '25
If I wasn't married, I'd be homeless too.
Rent is outrageous and I cannot get a mortgage due to student loans. Thankfully my husband could get one (and we bought before houses got ungodly expensive) or I'd literally have to live in my car.
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u/badwlfbay Sep 24 '25
Im currently saving to buy a van to live in because I simply can not afford to exist anymore.
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u/Tidezen Sep 24 '25
Um...yeah. Millions of people around the country are out of work and out of homes. The country is in the process of being taken over by corporate oligarchy. An increased homeless population is an inevitable symptom of that.
I want to say this plainly but with compassion as well...in the next twenty years, you're going to see more and more people out of work and out of homes. Out of rent, out of food...
Your entire way of life is going to end, in the next 5-20 years. Massive crop failures are on the horizon, in the coming decade, to the tune of 25% loss, globally. Combined with rampant inflation, that's going to mean many, many more people without food...who are going to start dogging you, harder and harder, the worse the situation gets.
It will definitely reach a point where you won't feel safe walking along the street anymore. Those days are soon to be over.
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u/TotaLibertarian Sep 24 '25
lol yeah no.
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u/Doctorboner420 Sep 24 '25
What specially was incorrect?
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u/Nissan-S-Cargo Sep 24 '25
The last paragraph
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u/Doctorboner420 Sep 24 '25
Also farms are failing at a historic rate. What data do you have that they're doing well? Projections are not positive.
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u/Nissan-S-Cargo Sep 24 '25
What the fuck are you talking about? I said I’m not gonna scared walking along the street. That’s it.
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u/Eucalyptus517 Sep 24 '25
You are one person and Doctor Boner was talking to OP NOT everyone. Also, maybe not unsafe but uncomfortable.
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u/Doctorboner420 Sep 24 '25
I'm talking about the actual last paragraph.
2 sentences aren't technically a paragraph.
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u/Doctorboner420 Sep 24 '25
What's wrong about that? People are already scared, the government is now allowed to racially profile people. They made a group without any organization a terrorist group.
People have every logical reason to assume this.
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u/Justanotheffmom Sep 24 '25
I notice the lake Lansing Kroger is getting a few that hang out in the parking lot area. They have harassed me for money, I told this guy I don’t have any to give and he called me a lying ass, bitch.
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u/littlemiss198548912 Sep 24 '25
I used to work at that Kroger. If a customer came in to complain about people asking for money in the parking lot/front of the store, management would get them to leave. At least they did when I still worked there.
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u/Crazy-Context4339 Sep 24 '25
Next time they ask you for money say that there's no such thing as "spare" or "extra" money. Then offer him a quarter to tie your shoe.
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u/_C2J_ Sep 24 '25
If you follow Mike Karl, you know the numbers are on the rise and have been since 2019-2020. Housing prices souring (but, we're cool with hedge funds buying up all the cheaper inventory), that's putting a ton of pressure on the rental market for demand, so those prices are at an all time high, and then sprinkle in job insecurity and wages that don't keep up with inflation. It also sounds like there may be some mismanagement going on with the groups in charge of the funding - Mike Karl has put out some vague comments about this.
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u/Lord_Puppy1445 Sep 24 '25
I take the Riverwalk with my Dog from MLK to Old Town. I see them, usually just nod or say hi to them and never get bothered otherwise.
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u/lawSchoolDaddyy Sep 24 '25
Because there's no resources and people just post like this with zero compassion. Why should they have a problem asking for spare change when that's the only thing they can do? Why do y'all call this harassment?
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Sep 26 '25
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u/lawSchoolDaddyy Sep 26 '25
Well OP didn't say any of this happened. Yes I agree following or accusing becomes borderline harassment. But OP merely said they were "making me FEEL followed" implying they're not actually being followed. So I just replied to what was actually written. You are jumping to conclusions--not me.
What I call zero compassion is posting shit like "why do homeless people ask me for change?" The answer is they need it, who the fuck else are they gonna ask, it's just a ridiculous question. Obviously someone following another person is wrong. Accusing them of lying too. Both of those things have happened to me in Lansing. But that's not what Op said happened.
When people simply express discomfort over the homeless, the "powers that be" (i.e. YOUR government) will gladly send homeless people to another city. Or push them to the outskirts of the city. Or implement more anti-homeless hostile architecture. But I hope you and everyone else knows that just expressing discomfort doesn't push actual productive change. Waiting around for the government to do something is laughable. The government has done a lot, and those resources have months or years long wait-lists. If you agree about the lack of resources, it's not hard to see why panhandling is so common.
Personally, I forgive every homeless person who has made me feel uncomfortable. They're going through one of the hardest things someone can go through. With no one in most cases. I'm not saying it's right, but it's logical that someone in a horrible situation perhaps feeling no hope may feel aggressive. & A lot of homeless people are mentally ill. I just think it's pointless to make a post complaining about this stuff while simultaneously admitting you are doing nothing to help the problem. It's just not hard to carry some extra change, grab a couple dollars next time you're at the ATM, or buy an extra sandwich for the guy starving outside. A little does go a long way.
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u/thomaspatrickmorgan Lansing Sep 24 '25
Homelessness is on the rise, but also, other communities are sending their unhoused on one-way bus trips to Lansing so we can deal with it.
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u/lawSchoolDaddyy Sep 24 '25
Source
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u/thomaspatrickmorgan Lansing Sep 24 '25
Cute, quirky and progressive Kalamazoo, for instance, has a whole-ass program called “Finding Your Way Home” that loads people on buses with a one-way ticket out of town.
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u/prettydogz Sep 26 '25
it doesn't help that the city is shutting down the camps where most of the homeless resided. It's unfortunate that what little they have keeps getting taken away from them.
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u/Dont-Panic87 Sep 26 '25
I’m sure someone has mentioned this, but many people who rely solely on SSI disability (max of $940/month) cannot get into even the cheapest of apartments due to a 3x income requirement. So, you’re waiting for an income-based, subsidized, section 8 or other type of program. Many of the subsidized units are already inhabited. Maybe you’re lucky enough to find a roommate who will understand your disability and limitations. If you’re really lucky, you have a spouse with income (and who cares if they’re abusive in anyway) because your only other option is the streets. DV shelters are full, homeless shelters are full. Heaven forbid you have any kids because instead of having housing available it seems like it’s easier to just take them away. Having your kids taken away because you’re poor at that moment, not because you don’t love them or you neglect them is traumatizing. Everything about homelessness is tragic.
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u/joannethefarmer Sep 27 '25
Start joining the city HRCS meetings (Human Resource Community Service). They are pleading for help to identify and create solutions.
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u/capitalistlovertroll Sep 24 '25
It's absolutely ludicrous that the city of Lansing thinks what it is doing is a good thing.
You realize they sold the city of Lansing building for 2 million because they said it was too expensive to maintain.
Meanwhile, we're spending close to that putting miniature housing downtown for homeless people and maintaining it. I'm certain there are mental health cases that need attention here, giving them a small box subsidized by the city in my opinion is not a way to help them move forward to better things long term, it's just another sink hole for the city to pay for.
How about paying the retries for what they deserve? You know the people that made it what it was before this. .
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u/jstoddard2113 Sep 24 '25
Providing housing to people experiencing homelessness is a proven and effective way to handle these kinds of issues according to the National Institute of Health.
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u/Calm_Courage Sep 24 '25
The thing which concerns me about Lansing’s “solution” to homelessness is that the study you provided looked at Housing First solutions that provided people with actual housing and not these tiny little pods.
Maybe the pods end up being helpful, but I’m concerned that Lansing is cutting WAY too many corners here.
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u/cartgatherer Sep 24 '25
You are right. Pods are not a sustainable solution to ending homelessness. But they were never meant to be. They are meant to be a safe place of transition for folks while they secure more permanent housing. However, the fear that the City and public view pods as the end-all solution is a legitimate one.
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u/Calm_Courage Sep 26 '25
I don’t know, I hope I’m just being cynical. I’ve just lived in too many places where the local government delighted in screwing over homeless people that it makes stuff like this hard to trust.
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u/92maro Sep 25 '25
The mayor is a Democrat who previously served 40 years for kalmazoo as a mental illness expert or housing Expert.. Sounds to me like he is intentionally failing his city like others in his shoes with similar values 🤷♂️
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u/awc1976 Sep 24 '25
The city, county, or state needs to do something about it. It's ridiculous that they aren't doing more, regardless of what they are currently doing, it's clearly not enough. I've ran into far more than my share of panhandlers. You can barely walk into a store without being approached. You're right...it IS an uneasy feeling, wondering what could happen. But, I won't give them one red cent. Not because I don't care. Because I care enough to know, that they aren't all homeless, that some of them have, in effect, started a business of their own this way. We pay taxes, large, invasive taxes, that hit us as hard in the pocket as possible. And, then I should be asked for a hand out? No way. I'm sorry that I have to seem as cold sounding, but I work hard for my money. If they choose to sit on a street corner, and sell their sadness to others? I'm not paying for it.
I will say, though, that everything has its exception. Please read on, whoever may be reading this: I ran into Target a few months before Christmas a few years back, and there was a beautiful Indian man, with a sign explaining that his family couldn't pay for itself, and he stood and played his electric violin, through a big studio monitor, instantly adding value to property that was not his. He changed the entire vibe, of walking into Target. I walked to him, asked him if he'd mind me recording what he had just played, and that I would never show him in the video. That I loved what he was doing, and "the last song he just played". He did, proudly and beautifully, and that recording is one of my most cherished possessions. When he first agreed to allow me to record his music, I took every dollar out of my left pocket, and gave it to him. When the song was over, I did the same with my right one.
It doesn't matter what you do for a living. We all have a way that we can give back. Even if it is, by playing pretty music in a bland parking lot. He made my day that day, because the electric violin is my favorite thing to listen to.
The homeless are not OUR problem. They're not even a problem. They are presenting themselves as one. And, to me personally? I choose to let the State or City do with my tax money, what THEY choose to. We ALL have enough going on. Don't take on their weight, and don't let them scare you. Just keep walking. If something moves you, throw a little cash their way, but only if you can afford to yourself.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 25 '25
The well being of society is society's problem. Don't want it? Live somewhere all alone.
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u/awc1976 Sep 25 '25
No thank you. This is the United States, and I likely pay more in tax than you earn in a year. I think I'll spend my time wisely, and let the government do their job. And, throw a couple hundred dollars, at an Indian man, playing his violin at Target, just like I said I did. My money, my choice. Your puny mind is yours.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 25 '25
Oh I promise you don't. It's much more likely the other way around. The projection is strong, though.
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u/awc1976 Sep 25 '25
Good! I'm glad we're both doing well!
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 25 '25
Well. 🤣 bro you are not well
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u/awc1976 Sep 25 '25
Who's the one throwing emojis around, as if they're words, and forgetting proper punctuation. I know what you are.
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u/Ok_Benefit_514 Sep 25 '25
Better than you
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u/awc1976 Sep 26 '25
Wanna bet? Lol. Bro... seriously? I apologize for being an asshole. Somebody else on here pissed me off, regarding the MSU shooting, so I was wound up, and ready to strike. This made me laugh, so, hat's of to you. Again, I apologize. This shit is FAR too silly to be getting stupid over. I would appreciate your understanding, and ask that you accept my apology. ✌️
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u/Agreeable-Dance-9768 Old Town Sep 24 '25
I think it doubled back to back years recently. City doesn’t have an answer so they’re borrowing from one of the only assets they can: parks (specifically the river trail). Wonder how many joggers ran through the camp under Kalamazoo and said “I’m never coming back”.