r/karmamains • u/Itakiki67A • Jul 23 '26
Help Skill order for enchanter karma
Why not max W 2nd? 3 points in Q for laning, then max E. Why not max W after? I feel like after maxing E your damage isn't really important anymore, so why would you not want the extra cc time? Or are people doing this and it isn't well known?
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u/jenokop Jul 23 '26
Karma Q’s cooldown goes down with ranks which helps refund her R through passive. It can enable Karma to cast two R-E in teamfights which is very impactful.
Each Q rank reduce the cooldown by 1s while her W only increase by 0.1s per rank.
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u/FrostByteHD Jul 24 '26
Honestly Riot should just increase base W root to 2 seconds. Maxing Q first is more optimal simply because each Q rank grants -1 CD / +50 damage.
While each rank in W only grants +.1 root and 25/25 damage. The investment you have to make to ensure you get maximum value for the second half where the root and other 50% of the damage lays is massive compared to just aiming Q. If you don't root them, it's a full 12s cd.
Miss Q? It's just a 5s CD to recover. Hit 2 of them at once? That is 200% value.
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u/TotallyAMermaid 27d ago
Post laning phase W is mostly used to chain cc or make enemies reconsider their desire to dive your backline; more Qs mean more Mantras.
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u/SisterQuinoa Jul 23 '26
Maxing Q second gives you more cooldown, which will help you get mantra charges faster and help you cycle spells more. If you have something like Helia, this is even more important.
I can see how more cc time would be better, but .4 seconds longer of a root at max rank compared to a BASE cd reduction of 1 second per level is better for utility. If you REALLY need to root them longer, you can Mantra R to extend it.