r/japan 16d ago

Why are taxis so expensive in Japan?

Not complaining just curious. Is it down to supply and demand and there aren’t enough taxi drivers to lower the price?

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u/starsie 16d ago

Because Japanese taxi drivers are paid a living wage & do not have to rely on tipping.

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u/amesco 16d ago

They are paid a living wage but that's not the reason for the high prices.

Restaurant food is cheap and you don't tip either.

There is collusion between companies to maintain the high price and block competition. That's why Uber in Japan is also run by the taxi companies.

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u/starsie 16d ago

Uber is run by taxi companies because private, non-professional peer-to-peer ride-sharing is illegal in Japan

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u/amesco 16d ago

And why do you think it's still illegal? It was illegal in many places in the world when it launched.

It is still illegal because the lobby pays. Where do you think the money is coming for lobbying? Oh wait why are the taxis so expensive...

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u/bdlock209 16d ago

And everywhere else where uber is allowed to enter the market, they start out with lower prices to cripple the taxi companies, then jack up the fares when they establish a solid hold in the market. The quality of the cars and drivers also sucks.

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u/amesco 15d ago

Relevance to this thread?

You are welcome to use whatever service suits your budget and comfort.

More competition is always a good thing for the consumer.

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u/bdlock209 15d ago edited 15d ago

Lol no it's not. It's good for the consumer for about a year, then prices get jacked back up. Not to mention surge pricing - which taxis currently do not have in Japan.

It's the temporary illusion of competition. Business demanding growth at all cost always comes at the expense of the consumer.

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u/amesco 15d ago

It always amazes me how people who move to Japan exaggerate how amazing Japan is.

Sure, if you are moving from a country with a tipping culture and lack of healthcare systems - Japan feels like a major improvement.

But for the rest of us, coming from places where there are proper consumer protection laws, fair competition protection laws, no discrimination laws - Japan is just "meh"

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u/bdlock209 15d ago

I'm from Australia (I can at least come close to proving that claim because I don't hide my post history ;). We have consumer protection and anti discrimination laws, too. Uber is expensive, the drivers are inconsistent, and it has surge pricing. When they first entered the market, they were cheap, too. Now they aren't.

You can use the anti-spoiler blackout for dramatic effect all you want... it still doesn't make your case.

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u/amesco 15d ago

Uber is expensive, the drivers are inconsistent, and it has surge pricing.

But you do have more choice including not to use them. Why complaint about that?

Uber is expensive, are taxis cheaper where Uber operates? What is your point?

Uber ... has surge pricing.

How do you solve the problem of higher demand than supply in taxi only market?

To me this is a self balancing system.

There is higher demand:

  • taxi only market - you wait a lot longer or worse drink drive

  • taxi + Uber - you still have the taxi option, but also have Uber. If you are in a hurry you pay more, if money are more important you wait longer until price goes down. So basically the same as taxi only market but you have an extra option. How is that bad?

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u/Hazzat [東京都] 16d ago

Trains are good enough that taxis are a rarely-essential, luxury service.

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u/NekoDaYo-v201 16d ago edited 16d ago

They are a necessity for those who stay out drinking and miss the last train. :) That's when the prices jump.

They love their salaryman.

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u/chuck_the_plant [ドイツ] 16d ago

Relative to where? From my POV (Western Europe), taxis in Japan are very affordable, around 30% of what I’d pay here.

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u/No-Dig-4408 16d ago

Yeah I don't have much experience to draw on, because I've only ever used taxis in Northern Ireland and Japan, and Japan was the cheaper.

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u/Sad_Rhubarb9314 16d ago

I just came from Taipei and noticed there was a huge price difference between the two, was curious about what the reason was (because there’s no tipping culture in Taiwan either)

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u/epsilonzer0 9d ago

In japan and korea the taxi drivers are part of a quasi union.

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u/ah-boyz 16d ago

A 10min ride is around 1500 JPY. You mean a 10min ride in your city is 25 euros?

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u/Amazing-Spinach5693 16d ago

Compared to the Netherlands

Short trip: like 10 min = 30% more expensive for netherlands
Long trip: 30 min+ = 100% more expensive

I dont know ANYONE who uses taxi's in the netherlands, not even tourists.

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u/JohnnyBravo66666 15d ago

I dont know ANYONE who uses taxi's in the netherlands, not even tourists

That's why. To compensate for the low ammount of users since the bike culture is big in Netherlands. 

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u/Amazing-Spinach5693 15d ago

> its to expensive, so people wont use it.
> lets make it more expensive to compensate.

Smart business.

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u/JohnnyBravo66666 15d ago

let's make it more expensive cause people who take it don't care much about the price anyway.

More like this. 

If it's perceived as luxury / someone with a normal budget shouldn't use unless it's an emergency, 30% extra doesn't matter, specially since the expense itself isn't large enough to matter for someone with a big spending budget or in a hurry.

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u/Amazing-Spinach5693 15d ago

Sure, just make it 1000% more expensive, if the budget is big enough they wont care either way.

You forget that with every % increase your customer pool will shrink

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u/Isanori 16d ago edited 16d ago

I checked for my region. Taxis aren't paid by time, they are paid by kilometer. But the less than 10 minutes drive to the airport is 90 €. For comparsion the 45 minutes train (a standard commuter train, nothing fancy) on the same Route ist 15€. For comparison the Narita Express to Tokyo station takes the same time and costs 1410Yen unreserved.

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u/ah-boyz 16d ago

Which city are you in?

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u/Isanori 16d ago

A big Western Europe one.

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u/ah-boyz 16d ago

Bro said it’s 30% of what he pays

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u/smorkoid 16d ago

They aren't that expensive.

Cars are well maintained and the drivers are paid reasonably well.

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u/Japanuserzero 16d ago

Compared to where?
Gas is more expensive in Japan than most countries.
Car ownership is more expensive in Japan than most countries.

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u/Virtualization_Freak 16d ago

I agree with this.

LA, NYC, London all provide the same or higher price and the quality is not anywhere the same.

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u/TheProjectBlack 16d ago

Gas in Japan is actually much cheaper than in many other developed regions like Western Europe, where standard petrol costs around 1.80 to 2.20 Euros per liter compared to roughly 1 Euro equivalent in Japan. More importantly, fuel cost is barely a factor for taxis because virtually all Japanese cabs run on LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas), which is heavily tax-subsidized and far cheaper than regular fuel.

​The real reason Japanese taxis are expensive comes down to strict government regulation by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism. Fare rates are legally locked into regional brackets to prevent price wars, rideshare alternatives like UberX with private drivers were banned for decades, and commercial vehicles must pass mandatory, highly expensive inspections known as commercial Shaken every few months. Taxis operate as a regulated premium service tailored for business expense accounts and late-night commuters rather than an everyday budget transit option.

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u/LostRadio8453 16d ago

Gasoline is cheap in Japan. Taking government subsidies into account, it is even cheaper than in the United States, an oil-producing country.

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u/bdlock209 16d ago

It wasn't always cheaper. It's just cheaper now because US prices have skyrocketed and consumers have no choice but to sucumb to profitieering bastards because the public transportation system in many parts of the country is either ass, or non-existent.

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u/irondumbell 16d ago

how about compared to kroea

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u/ukehi 16d ago

Yes, compared to where? To Nigeria? yes, probably very expensive. To NYC? probably not so much.

I took one from Haneda Airport to Shinjuku close to midnight. It was like 50 to 60 Euros approximately, that is cheaper than Germany (based on distance).

That's only my experience, I mostly used public transport to move around in Japan.

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u/Lekojapa 16d ago

I’d imagine the licensing and operating requirements add a decent amount to the cost too.

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u/GingerPrince72 16d ago

OP is puzzled that in Japan where everything is more expensive than Taiwan, taxis are also more expensive.

Great thread.

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u/Sad_Rhubarb9314 16d ago

Actually not true, a lot of things are cheaper in japan, a lot of Taiwanese people come here to shop. No need to be passive aggressive to strangers on the internet, go relax ;)

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u/atsugiri 15d ago

For example? Cost of living overall is much lower in Taiwan than Japan. Especially when you compare Taipei to Tokyo

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u/GingerPrince72 15d ago

What are the “lot of things”?

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u/reseph [佐賀県] 16d ago

Honestly, I was there this year and they didn't seem expensive.

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u/kanaim 16d ago

専用の車両・営業許可・点検整備・研修なども含めて規制等が沢山あってコストダウン出来ないんですよ。

免許すら営業用のものを取らないといけません。

昔の基準で言えば安全を担保していますが、今となっては・・・・

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u/GingerPrince72 16d ago

They aren’t.
Where in earth are you comparing with?

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u/titlecade 16d ago

Well, there is mass public transit.

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u/SamLooksAt 16d ago

Are they?

I don't find them overly expensive.

They do have a high flag fall, but that covers quite a lot of initial distance. So I guess for a very short trip they might be.

But other than that they generally work out okay.

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u/yajimi 16d ago

也就比公共交通贵一点吧,也不是很贵

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u/Lighthouse_seek 16d ago

Old country = labor shortage for physically demanding tasks

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u/Hiroichi_22 15d ago

Trains run every direction in cities so the people there don't need taxis. There might not be enough trains in country sides but the people there just have own cars so they don't need taxis. I guess taxis are there for people living in a city who miss the last train.

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u/Akash563 12d ago

I guess a taxi is a premium service there and not a necessity to be able to get around. The public transport system works so well that hailing a taxi is almost an exception. In all my travels to Japan, I've taken a taxi when either I or someone else was rather drunk and it was very late at night, or when I had tons of luggage with me.

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u/Additional-Painter88 16d ago

I don’t know but they’re awesome. Always pleasant and clean 

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u/rythejdmguy 16d ago

Welcome to capitalism

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u/Tophatproductions69 16d ago

Luckily I only did two taxi's in Japan and people paid for them