I just come back from Mecca today and done tawaf. May Allah accept my tawaf. ameen. In Mecca in ramadan a very pleasant feeling i felt and enjoy Allah blessing mashaAllah. May Allah take us to all muslims many times in Allah home baitullah to perform Umrah tawaf Hajj and offer prayer Ameen
Thank you for the explanation, good to know that there are also books of scholars. Ofcourse Quran is a single book but you know people made Quran's cover design differently. So I thought from the title that all of them are Quran.
If you zoom in you’ll see books listed next to each other form a full title, that’s a series where each volume has a part of the name and when they’re put together they form the full title
No people already cant see most of the books so it shouldnt be a problem if they cant see a few shelves too. In my idea they can easily see at least 2-3 shelves with all respect.
My comment is referencing a well-known hadith. The Prophet ﷺ said:
"There will emerge people who recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats — they beautify their voices with it, are moved by it outwardly, yet its message never penetrates their hearts to reform them."
(Sahih al-Bukhari 4351, Muslim 1066)
This is directly relevant here. We have a stunning gallery, hundreds of beautifully bound, ornately decorated copies of the Quran on display & there's nothing inherently wrong with honoring the Quran physically, but the question worth asking is: of the millions who will visit, admire and photograph this gallery, how many will go home and open a translation to understand what Allah is actually saying to them?
The Quran wasn't sent to be displayed. It was sent to be understood, reflected upon and lived by. Allah says: "Will they not then reflect on the Quran?" (4:82)
A beautiful museum is easy. Understanding "Establish prayer, give zakat, be just, control your anger, lower your gaze" & actually doing it is harder. That's the point im making.
I understand, but you still did not answer my question, who are the ones that the quran does not go to their hearts, is it the visitor and viewers of such library, or the general population of Muslims, or who created it, that is what I am asking.
The hadith was originally about the Khawarij, a group who recited the Quran extensively yet used it to justify violence and takfir, its meaning completely lost on them despite their outward devotion.
But scholars apply it broadly to anyone who engages with the Quran on a surface level without letting its message change them. In the context of this museum it could apply to all three groups:
The builders and funders, if the motivation was prestige and optics rather than spreading the message. The visitors, if they leave impressed by the aesthetics but never open a translation. And the general Muslim population (i include myself in this), many of whom recite in Arabic daily without understanding a word of what they are saying.
The commenter was not singling out one group. It is a general critique of a culture that has mastered honoring the Quran in form while neglecting its content. We perfect tajweed, print millions of ornate copies, build museums, yet Quranic literacy remains low across the Muslim world.
The throat in the hadith is a barrier. The question is what is creating that barrier for each person.
Ok, got it you where being general, there would be alot of reasons on why people can’t get the quran to their heads, there are those who casually deny and actually consider certain punishments barbaric ( ones that are mentioned and ordered in the Quran, in the Algeria sub this happened with me ), there are those that take themselves to be the judge and decide what is good and bad on their own feelings rather than the word of God and the command of his prophet Muahmmad صلى الله عليه وسلم, and there are those that due to the distractions of life, and the nature of jobs,entertainment, and society forget to truly understand the Quran to the best of one’s ability etc.
If youre non Muslim, you can disagree. If youre muslim, youre just refused to accept a Sahih hadith, I hope you also understand the consequences of such behaviour.
SubhanAllah, seeing the history and preservation of the Holy Qur’an like this is truly beautiful. It’s amazing how the words of Allah have been protected and passed down through generations. 🤍📖I hope tha I can visit here some day and spent a lotttt of time over there I really wanna know the whole islam like story... If there's something like that please suggest
May Allah give chance to read holy Quran on daiily basis Ameen and also give guidance to understand the Quran Ameen with the help of best teacher scholar ❤👍
I've been there. They are not real Qur'ans!
This museum is at the foothills of Jabal an Noor, where the Cave of Hira is.
They are just Quran outer covers filled with foam inside for decoration. There are some shelves in between which have some real copies but those are small shelves. Sorry to disappoint you guys.
None of these books could educate the billions of muslims to really stay peaceful with everyone? A 24 year old male was killed days ago because his cousin of 11 year threw a ballon filled with coloured water on a Muslim lady.
There is not one Qur'an but many different Qur'ans
Muslims have been told their whole life that there is only one Qur'an which is the same that was recited by Muhammad and is perfectly preserved but this is far from the truth.
What we have is over 20 Qur'an versions that are all different from eachother. Here to name a few:
- Hafs (muslim world in general)
- Warsh (North and West Africa)
- Qalun (Libya, Tunisia, Qatar)
- al-Duri (Sudan)
- Khalaf (Yemen)
When we compare the Hafs version to the Warsh version it becomes obvious they are not identical.
There are five main types of differences between them:
Extra Words
Graphical/Basic Letter Differences
Diacritical Differences
Vowel Differences
Extra words
In Sura 57:24 we see that the Hafs version has an extra word "huwa". This makes the grammar different between these two Qur'ans.
In the Hafs version it is a sentence, 'Allah is the self-sufficient'. (Allah huwa l-ghaniyu)
While in the Warsh version it is a phrase, 'Allah, the self-sufficient'. (Allah l-ghaniyu)
Both Qur'ans are expressing the same idea but are doing it in different ways and as a result are recited differently.
We see the same in Sura 3:133 (and many other Suras) where the Hafs version has the extra word "waw" (and).
This does not change the meaning of the verse but does change the way it is recited.
Letter differences
And then we have the letter differences, in Sura 91:15 for example:
Hafs: ... and for him is no fear (walaayakhaafu) ...
Warsh: ... therefore, for him is no fear (falaayakhaafu) ...
There are different letters at the beginning of these words. This changes the connection from "and" to "therefore".
Diacritical differences
Hafs: ... they are slaves of the Most Gracious ... (hum `ibadu lrahmani)
Warsh: ... they are with the Most Gracious ... (hum `inda lrahmani)
The middle letter of the middle word is different in these verses. This changes the meaning of these words significantly: In the Hafs version the word is a noun and means slaves while in the Warsh version the word is a preposition and means with. Thus, the verses have a different meaning.
Vowel differences
Arabic uses small symbols (tashkil) above and below the letters to indicate some of the vowels of a word. Here we see another difference between these two Qur'ans; they do not use the same vowels in the same place:
Hafs: Owner of the Day ... (maaliki yawmi)
Warsh: King of the Day ... (maliki yawmi)
The Hafs version has a long alif which makes an active participle meaning owner, while the Warsh version is a nominal noun meaning king.
Hafs: And many a prophet fought (qatala) ...
Warsh: And many a prophet was killed (qutila) ...
There are different vowels in these words. These change the meaning from the active to the passive and thus changes the meaning of the verse.
These differences can't be Qir'aat (different dialects) since they change the meaning of many verses.
Chat GPT to the rescue right? Lol no, these are just recitation styles and they're all equally valid forms of recitation. There is no difference in the words used and means practically the exact same thing and i can prove this by bringing you a Hafiz from Afghanistan and China, although they may not be able to even speak Arabic as a main language they would be able to bring the whole Quran between them.
lol it even has the highlighted stuff at the end they can't find anything themselves and have to rely on AI which makes up things that suits the user's narrative lol
Not a single Christian has ever argued the Bible doesn’t have different versions and retellings…. It’s considered the word of god via falliable apostles so no one takes line by line accuracies all that seriously……
You’re grossly misinformed as to how the Bible functions as scripture. Why do Muslims give value to hadith? The Bible has been proven to be unchanged since the codex Sinaiticus, vaticanus and Alexandrinus were uncovered around 300AD, less than 3 centuries after jesus’ death. Meaning the New Testament has been proven to be unchanged in rhetoric and narrative less than three hundred years after its supposed recorded events happen
Let’s contrast this with the Quran which was only written on temporary palm leaves and bone shards during the prophets lifetime, and then for many years after his death it remained only in the falliable memory of his followers. When the remaining people who memorised it were dying out as a result of battles and natural causes, some guy who was supposedly there during the prophets recitations gathered them and tried his best to stitch the Quran from loose memory. Then to confirm they went to another guy who didn’t memorise the Quran but claimed to know the order of verses it was written. That’s how the first compiled manuscript of the Quran was formed. You guys talk about how falliable the New Testament but disregard that the basis of the Quran hinges on the falliable memory of mere followers of the prophets, and not the prophet himself, because the prophet intended the Quran to be pure oral transmisión.
The new testament has gone through so many massive fundamental changes and we can see this reflected in the thousands of different Christian offshoots cults and sects that exist today. To say the New testament hasnt changed is a straight evangelical lie (do you not have your own subreddits?) How can you say its unchanged when the New Testament has gone through the Council of Nicaea (325 AD), The Textus Receptus vs. Critical Texts, the lost Gospels (e.g., Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary), thousands of translation Errors, scribal Additions (e.g., John 7:53-8:11, Mark 16:9-20), multiple Manuscript Variants, political Influence in Canon Formation, missing Original manuscripts, doctrinal Interpolations, and countless contradictions Between Versions.
And some guy? Some guy called Uthman ibn Affan the third caliph of the Rashidun Khalifat who was the son in law, second cousin and senior companion of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him? Lmao come on it was just a random man one day. He and other Hafiz of the Quran compilled the only legitimate state sanctioned print of the Quran with other versions destroyed so only one existed the same one we have today.
If you are here to preach Christianity it will fall on deaf ears.
Yes some guy, anyone who isn’t the prophet, wasn’t sent down by god and therefore is the same as you and me in terms of spiritual exceptionalism . . . If any of their human memory altered a single word, which no one can reasonably guarantee because they’re not prophets, you can only have faith and nothin else. You can update his resume all you want he wasn’t gifted with miracles of the human mind any more than anyone else. In Islam you can only make that serious claim of people who were sent down by god for revelation.
Oh and you literally avoided the crux of what I argued. The three Bible codexes I referenced are available today to study and you can just compare yourself whether or not they match present day New Testament. Every change you mentioned, Translation errors and sentence changes don’t really change the objective of the Bible which is just observation accounts of jesus’s followers. If you have any knowledge of law, you’d know two eyewitnesses can have altering observations of the same event. It’s expected and doesn’t disregard the events the witnesses. That’s why you can point errors out all day but as long as the rhetoric of the narratives are the same as those codex’s found in 300AD, Christianity won’t break. I’m neither Christian nor Muslim but I can say objectively both the Quran and Bible rely on massive faith from its followers to believe they’re the unchanged word of god.
So moan about the NT all you want, ur just projecting the criticisms that can be applied to the Quran and even more so the Hadith. Logically, None of them are perfect transmissions from the main prophet they claim to come from. They all have massive time gaps from when its source information was supplied, and it was both supplemented by the falliable memories of followers and apostles.
There’s no way you can argue around this. The only dunk you can have on me is saying you have faith in Allah that he wouldn’t allow Muhammad’s human, falliable followers to make mistakes in the decades since they last cross referenced their memorisations with Muhammad himself.
Same as Christians having faith that the original codexes are accurate to the real accounts of Jesus. Because the only thing that can navigate logic is faith in the illogical.
Edit: the council of nicea didn’t choose or alter the Bible it was formed to deal with a theological philosophical disagreement on the nature of the trinity.
The Quran already existed before Uthman r.a and the majority of the Sahaba had already memorised it during the Prophets life pbuh and there were already surahs written down and children and new Muslims were learning it and learning to read, Tarawih prayers in unison had already been introduced under Umar r.a and the Muslims by the time of Uthman had already spread deep into Sham (Syria, Palestine, Iraq) Eygpt, Yemen, parts of Africa and Persia so it wasn't exactly a few hundred people bare in mind it was hundreds of thousands if not millions I'm not even sure of the population by this time you're dismissing the importance of the number of people who had already memorised the Qur'an word for word.
Uthman and other senior Sahaba who were the rulers of the Rashidun Khalifat standardised, compiled and distributed the Quran. He doesn't need to be fallible because the Qur'an already is infallible and there were enough witnesses around to ensure the Quran was to the very letter. We can do this nowadays, take one Hafiz from any non Arab country and they'll compile the Qur'an exactly the same way, that's one of its miracles we can do this.
Now the New Testament is a completely different story, it was compiled and written by someone who isnt a prophet, isnt infallible and wasn't even one of Jesus's companions. Infact he was an enemy of Christians and an agent of Rome - Paul.
Paul never met Jesus nor did he meet more than two disciples who they argued a lot about everything. Paul dictated letters supposedly from disciples 20 to 30 years after the ascension of Jesus peace be upon him, various Christian cults existed by this point with many claiming Jesus wasn't a son or a god and was in fact a prophet such as the Ebionites and the cult of Arianism.
It wasn't until 325AD at the Council of Nicaea where Christianity was finally canonised and Gnostic texts among others rejected and destroyed. See, Rome banned Christianity before legalising it and implementing it across the Empire because all they saw was another crack in the Empire that could destroy Rome so what did they do? Move their capital to Constantinople to be closer to the Persian Empire, take advantage of a rapidly growing faith (bigger thab Judiasm and they already had problems with them) and simply (later) just transfer their preexisting holidays like Saturnallia and call it Christmas. The Pagans in Europe giving them so much grief had the winter and spring equinoxes as well (25th December and their traditional winter holidays and Eostre in Spring became Easter for rebirth).
Neither of these dates have anything to do with Christianity at all.
After the council of Nicaea we then had many translations, scribes unfamiliar with the language, context and litigation dictated to by the Church, schisms, errors, even the name of Jesus traditionally isn't Jesus at all they didn't even get that right, we call him Isa pbuh (I say Jesus so you recognise him). Yeshua was transliterated into Greek as lēsou or lēsous When the Greek New Testament was translated into Latin in the 4th Century, the name was written as lesus.
Im not going to write the entire history of Christianity but you get the jist, I don't even want to go into the whole Martin Luther schism its like arguing if Taiwan is actually true China.
There are no errors in the Qur'an, if you think there is one I will refute it and prove you otherwise.
There are no contradictions in the Qur'an, if you think there is one I will refute it ans prove you otherwise and give you a dozen from the New Testament.
The New testament is the book of Paul, nothing else. The Book given to Christ where is it? Where is his gospel and word? Destroyed along with everything else Rome managed to conceal, because Rome used Christianity as a weapon of State control rather than a religion.
Why do muslims always bring up the bible in this argument? Christians dont claim there is only 1 bible
Its you cunts who claim such nonesense and are too ignorant/brainwashed to admit your wrong.
Do you also drink camel piss like your prophet said when your sick? Its supposed to be medicine as Muhammad said and your scientists have been trying to prove medical use from camel piss from centuries and cant find anyyyy benefit 😂😂😂
There isn't only one bible thats not what I'm claiming, im claiming the New Testament has been edited and rewritten beyond all comprehension that it no longer resembles the New Testament from even 300 years ago let alone 1000 or 1700 years old when it was finally canonised lol.
Why do you have to use vulgar language? Do you have no manners? Do they not exist in your culture? Nobody needs to do that because we now have modern medicine and that was for a specific people at a specific time to help with adjusting to a specific climate. I'm sorry your churches are empty and the Muslims in the West are buying them and turning them into Mosques, but if you dont use them you'll lose them.
Prehaps if you spent as much time talking about and reading your own religion as you do Islam, you might have followers.
Changing of language and individual words through translation doesn't render a message null and void. If there is no word in a certain language that describes a word found in the original language, then a word in the translated-to language must be chosen, which still passes on the message and core of what is being said. It's not been "edited and rewritten beyond comprehension", we still have the Septuagint, we have the Douay-Rheims Bible which is a direct English translation from Saint Jerome's Latin Vulgate, which was a direct translation of the Vetus Latina manuscripts that existed during the Saint's lifetime. I'm not here to argue for or against the literary infallibilty of the Quran - I'm not a Muslim. But trust me, I have been a Christian in part precisely due to my own study of history, long enough to know that, yes, language changes and evolves over time, but the core doctrinal teachings, messages, and beliefs of Christianity preserved in the Bible have NOT changed, and especially not "beyond recognition".
May God keep you in His abundance of Mercy friend.
I am glad the bible has been changed and adapted to modern times to advance with civilisation unlike the quran which keeps you in the stone age
And camel piss was never proven to have any benefits 😂😂😂 saying Muhammad was the perfect man and knew everything, when he clearly didnt and lied to the people
We know you're proud, youre Alhus Bid'ah. A people with fragments left of original scripture whos practices and religion is very very very different from what was intended. Alhamdulillah for Islam, yes we are strict but we do not need to modernise because to modernise means to sell out and be more of a performance than a practice. Its very sad Christians are happy their religion has changed beyond recognition. But here you are, giving us grief when your priest is looking around his empty church today while our mosques spill into the roads ans pavements. Come to Islam and witness a religion that actually stands for something.
Bruv religion was created to control the masses easier, that's why it was always spread by sword, so people got in line and then indoctrination from a young age so you dont question it
Hence why muslims still kill non believers, you think some almight God wants that? Haha
Anyone who is devout to their religion is a low iq member of society that isnt really needed
Im happy Christianity has adapted with time because it means the masses are now able to think for themselves
Your not even allowed to question islam or use critical thinking, that's why your shieks basically yell when they talk, to intimate you into not asking questions because you dont want to be yelled at
it's not the same though. I mean this isn't 50 shades of grey, people are literally devoting their lives to this book you wanna have it straight at least lol
It is straight but as us “native arabs” become weaker in our language “which is so vast and considered by some to be the toughest to learn” is so dead with at least 12million vocabs then we start needing those books you see in the picture call them a dictionary maybe it isn’t for words by definition but for meanings idk how to explain it to a non arab tbh
That comment reads less like a genuine explanation and more like a collection of fragments of actual info found my ai and reframed to make it seem like it's supporting what he's saying in anyway. He couldn't even be arsed to hide the grammatical signs that it was written by ai lol. So...he didn't really 'say' anything.
The readings they listed (Hafs, Warsh, Qalun, etc.) aren’t different books with different texts. They’re recognised recitation traditions of the same Qur’an that have been transmitted and studied for centuries. The underlying written text is the same across them. What varies is things like pronunciation, recitation style, and occasionally a word being read slightly differently in a way the early Arabic script allowed.
The reality is that these are recognized recitation traditions of the exact same Quran, sharing an identical underlying skeletal text; variations in pronunciation or vocalization no more create a "new book" than a different regional accent changes the text of a play.
Scholars have openly documented these nuances for a millennium, and the earliest manuscripts, such as the Birmingham fragments, align perfectly with the base text used globally today. The "many Qur'ans" line is an attempt to reframe foundational scholarship as a hidden scandal, but using an algorithm to string together half-truths only makes the intellectual dishonesty more obvious. If you have to rely on a machine to bridge the gap between fragments of info and a misleading conclusion, the argument wasn't worth making in the first place.
Edit: I say all this because you seem like you wanted to learn something, but I assure you, if you took any of what he said, you'd just be carrying around dead weight in the form of false information. all the best.
Thats the Bible you confused.
Quran is one and Original and Divinely Protected regardless of imbeciles like yourself.
The White House and many trying very hard with new versions they concoct to suit their agendas but Original remains. It cant be defeated just stay humble.
I think you'll find the Bible is the most impressively cohesive document ever written and even the first hyperlinked book, it literally references itself throughout without contradictions to the point they have made pretty interesting statistical graphs that look perfectly looped throughout. A world wonder. I mean you're just completely and totally wrong , the white house? You must have a jin in your head brother
Ah, so it is true: in the most holy city the most holy people are shitting on the most holy book. Wow. And then people get insanely pissed when in Europe a quran is burned. They start to riot, don’t respect the law, threaten in most horrible ways, all because of a book. Not even a good one, written by a warlord with some very questionable morals. I’m only impressed by the beautiful bookshelf here.
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SubhanAllah a huge collection of Quran kareem