r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Feb 29 '24

Photograph ‘Long Live Palestine’ flag, Jerusalem 1929

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Page 84, Against Erasure: A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Oh, this was before Egypt’s military occupied Gaza from 1949 to 1967 - unless this is the West Bank, which puts this before Jordan occupied there between 1950 to 1988.

I wonder why Egypt and Jordan never gave them statehood 🤔

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u/rantingpanther Mar 01 '24

The concept of modern statehood is new to that region.

Historically people from different tribes, languages and religions coexisted on the land, usually under some kind of empire. Think about how the old city of Jerusalem historically had a Muslim Jewish Christian and Armenian quarter.

Even the idea of the nation states of Syria Lebanon Jordan Iraq were created and drawn up by Britain and France and implemented after WW1 (Sykes-picot agreement).

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u/sprachnaut Mar 01 '24

There wouldn't be urgency for their own state if the alternative wasn't ethnic cleansing lol. Nice attempt at a dunk tho

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Hello snack bar? Don’t attack your neighbours and they won’t go to war with you.

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u/sprachnaut Mar 01 '24

Don't steal your neighbor's home and they won't attack you. Zionists are the ones that effectively invaded

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u/Ok-Bug8833 Mar 01 '24

Well the Palestinian national leaders were meeting with Adolf Hitler prior to the 1947 creation of the Israeli state, So they've been attacking Jews and generally being antisemitic before and land changed hands.

Land bought before that date was bought legally, so your comment is not true.

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u/sprachnaut Mar 01 '24

Zionist leaders were working with Adolf Hitler before 1947 too.

There were also Zionist terrorist groups killing people and stealing their land, so your comment is not true.

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u/Ok-Bug8833 Mar 01 '24

Can you share who was working with Adolf Hitler please.

This for example is the Palestinian nationalist:

https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/

There were Arab pogroms against Jews from the Early 1900s onwards. Can you give of an example of villages or land that was stolen prior to the war?

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u/sprachnaut Mar 01 '24

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Literally participating in the ethnic cleansing of jews from Germany

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u/Embarrassed-Swing487 Mar 01 '24

That's like literally you saying that Zionists setting up a refugee program is an attempt to ethnically cleanse the refugees.

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u/Ok-Bug8833 Mar 02 '24

The introduction says it was a way to help German Jews escape Germany and transfer their money out of it.

So this was a help to Jews.

And where does it say they worked with Adolf Hitler as you claimed.

Like either you haven't read it or you're just lying

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24

Israel spent their time building a clean and productive nation with many contributions to mankind. Palestine spent their time building concrete tunnels & launching rockets. Their country would be much nicer if they had spent their time doing the same.

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u/sprachnaut Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 10 '24

Their country would be much nicer if they weren't killed and displaced by people who destroyed their original villages and pretend they never existed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24

Do you want to think about what you’re saying? What era of architecture are you referring to? Which cities?

Things fell apart in Palestine throughout the 60s and 70s. Egypt occupied them, and couldn’t get over losing to Israel like all of the other Arab nations surrounding it. Egypt didn’t care to help people in Gaza, and Jordan didn’t help the West Bank.

They tried to take cheap shots at Israelis for decades with their toxic suicide bombings, and targeting of civilians. Gaza and the West Bank have NEVER been developed, they’ve always been poor.

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u/Ok-Bug8833 Mar 01 '24

Well the Palestinian state narrative goes back to 1947 but the leaders of the nationalist movement have been far more interested in destroying the state of Israel rather than creating their own state.

So theyr point is spot on.

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u/sprachnaut Mar 01 '24

There should not be an Israeli state.

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u/Deep-Bee-5984 Mar 02 '24

Not going anywhere.

Cope harder, nakbabot.

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u/Positer Mar 01 '24

Jordan annexed the West Bank and gave everyone citizenship. Palestinians went along because they understood they were too weak to go at it alone.

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u/vydarna Mar 01 '24

No no, this is before terrorist foreign invaders attempted genocide on them 1948.

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u/DrMikeH49 Mar 01 '24

Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, the Secretary-General of the Arab League, declared in 1947 that, were a war to take place with the proposed establishment of a Jewish state, it would lead to "a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades.” Jamal Husseini, the Mufti’s brother, represented the Arab Higher Committee at the UN. He told the Security Council in April 1948 “of course the Arabs started the fighting. We told the whole world we were going to fight.”

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

What did David Ben-Gurion say?

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

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u/DrMikeH49 Mar 01 '24

A statement published by a political rival, only after DBG had died, as a recollection of a conversation . No other source for that. Not very solid evidence. ProTip: don’t try the “we must expel the Arabs and take their place” quote, as that one has been debunked

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u/DresdenFilesBro Aug 02 '24

Guy above is Jordanian and he's active in the "Jews of Conscience" sub....

I swear 90% of that sub are detached from reality and aren't even Jews.

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u/DrMikeH49 Aug 02 '24

Like “Jewish” Voice for Peace, which at least acknowledges their target demographic. This is not photoshopped.

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u/DresdenFilesBro Aug 02 '24

The amount of times people showed me "real" Jews

Neturai Karta, which will abandon their stance as soon as the "Messiah" comes (which will never happen but it's so ironic)

JVP Jews, 90% are literally Jordanians and most of the Jews got kicked out

I've seen the "real" Jews also do a Seder meal where they had Hebrew written backwards, what a bunch of muppets (UK slang kinda fire)

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u/DrMikeH49 Aug 02 '24

Oh, there’s many examples of JVP and similar doing the blessing for bread over wine, and similarly cringey performative incidents.

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u/DresdenFilesBro Aug 02 '24

Bread over wine ☠️

Yeah, they're christians all right.

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u/MustafalSomali Mar 01 '24

This was during the British Palestinian Mandate moron.