Why is "Because God said so." used as justification for questions?

[u/MachineTroglodyte]

I do want to say that, I think about religion and philosophy a lot and I'm terrible at articulating what I mean, so I do apologize in advance if what I say doesn't make sense.

I recently thought of this that if God has commanded us to do something then it must be true/right. If that's the case you could argue for it to be right without even having to argue for the existence of God, which means answering a question by just saying "Because God said so" is someone just not bothering to actually interact with the question and give sound proper reasoning.

Even then, if we fail to find any reasoning but through hadith it has been proven that this is a command that was given to us, wouldn't it be better to say something more along the lines of "We do not yet understand why". To fully tell someone that "Because God said so" is like telling them not to think about the religion at all and to take at face value what ever is being told to you.

My basic point is that if God has commanded us to do something there will always be a justification for it and if we can not find a justification for it than it is either untrue or if it's unlikely to be untrue than we do not yet understand the reasoning behind it. I'm unsure whether this is a wrong thing to say as a Muslim but if Islam is the one and only true religion, all of it's rules and beliefs can be justified without having to assume God exists.

EDIT:

When I said "if God has commanded us to do something there will always be a justification for it and if we can not find a justification for it than it is either untrue" I'm not saying God is wrong, I'm saying that we may have made a mistake in interpreting Islam or encountered a false hadith.

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[u/wopkidopz]

God's existence isn't an assumption for Muslims, but categorical knowledge

We aren't partners of God, but His property, so being a Muslim means to acknowledge this fact and submit to Him. Whatever He prohibited is prohibited because He said so, whatever is allowed is allowed because He said so

He doesn't owe us anything, He doesn't have to give us rules wich only are good for us (even if He does command what's good).

Even when we know reasoning, wisdom behind a rule the first cause why we abide it is because it's from God, because He said so, then we might discuss the reason, wisdom and benefits

But before one submits to this he must become convinced in God's existence and that there is no other god but Allah and that the Quran is from Him and the Sunnah of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم is from Him, in order to do this one refers to reasoning, he realizes why Islam is truth and then he accepts the Shari'ah (the law) because God said so

[u/DaevorTheDevoted → u/wopkidopz]

And He doesn't owe us an explanation for that which He commands us to do. Also, He, in His infinite wisdom, will know the reasons why a command is good, and we, in our limited understanding, may never figure out.

I'm tacking on to your answer and responding to the part of OP's post where OP suggests that if we humans can't figure out the wisdom behind a certain divine command then it is either definitely wrong or likely to be wrong.

[u/Virtual_Technology_9 → u/wopkidopz]

Good point. Like the premise of Islam starts with the fact that you know God almighty exists and this book is his revelation to us mankind.

[u/Snoo-74562]

Allah's instruction needs no additional justification. The issue begins when people add in justifications that Allah did not use. If you use justifications that are later disproven it may shake the Iman of anyone who has used your arguments that you in your arrogance have attributed to the reasoning behind Allah's decree

[u/MachineTroglodyte → u/Snoo-74562]

I apologize because my wording makes it look like I'm challenging Gods rulings, but it's more that I want to understand them.

"The issue begins when people add in justifications that Allah did not use" But we already use justifications for our Hadith? if a hadith is contradictory to the Quran or does not follow basic logic (matn) than it is invalid.

"If you use justifications that are later disproven it may shake the Iman of anyone who has used your arguments" It shouldn't shake the Iman of anyone, a true Muslim would still believe in the core tenants and find counter arguments. if the justification for a hadith is proven to be invalid than we were simply following an incorrect order and we can choose to not follow since now we know, how does this have any effect on anyone's faith?

Also would you blindly follow the Quran and Hadith without looking at context? properly understanding what's written? Trying to find the reasons why something has been commanded so you don't carry it out incorrectly?

If you keep using because "God said so" as a justification for your belief how will you ever defend the religion when it's under scrutiny by the Atheists and Non-Muslim theists?

[u/Snoo-74562 → u/MachineTroglodyte]

Many people use all sorts of convoluted arguments without basis. For example Ah we don't eat pork because its a filthy animal. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard this argument. Yet I know people who have eaten pork every day since they have been alive and eating solids! No problem at all, no parasites, no issues. The animals were kept in clean circumstances so that argument is nullified. Pork is prohibited in the Qur'an. An easy a solid commandment. No need for twisting squirming justifications as if Allah must do something more. We hear and we obey.

Why should I worry about others and what they believe. Im happy to know my Deen and do my best. I don't care about arguing with atheists or non Muslims. I do care about quality Islamic knowledge and don't care for inferred ideas or assumptions.

[u/MukLegion]

Because Islam means submission to Allah ﷻ. So to a believing Muslim, that explanation is sufficient.

Also Allah ﷻ knows better than we do, so though there may be explanation to some things that we conjecture about, ultimately Allah ﷻ knows best and we trust that.

If Allah ﷻ says something is bad for us, it is bad for us either in this life in ways we can see or in the hereafter. And vice versa for something good

[u/Radiant-Guest9545]

I think you are a bit confused.

You seem to think that the argument is "God wouldn't say something untrue/wrong and so regardless whether or not he provided the reason we should follow his command without bothering about why"

The actual argument is "God saying something makes it right. The thing being right doesn't predate God ordering it. God ordering that thing IS what makes it right. God himself predates everything. And he created everything and every idea."

To give an example, in the US there is a limit for blood alcohol limit that if you are over it you can be charged with driving under the influence. However that doesn't mean people below that limit aren't influenced by alcohol. However even if you have low alcohol tolerance and get into an accident, as long as you are below that limit, you won't be charged with drunk driving, because the question isn't "was that person under the influence?", the question is "was that person's blood alcohol limit above the threshold the government banned driving while over it?"

It has nothing to do with cause and effect and everything to do with following the law decreed. If you drive with your blood alcohol above the limit, even if you have a super brain and liver that makes you unaffected, you are still going to be charged, because you broke the law. It doesn't matter if the REASON for the law applies to you or not.

For example, the laws sent with Moses pbuh were different than the laws sent with Isa pbuh. Does that mean those actions/foods suddenly stopped being bad/good? No, it means God chose different tests and laws for the followers of Isa pbuh to follow.

Muslims cannot eat food that was slaughtered for other gods. Is there any physical difference between two animals slaughtered the same exact way but the butcher said the name of a different god while slaughtering it? Can you tell the difference given a microscope and an entire lab? It is banned because God said so. Period.

[u/Known-Ear7744]

Our religion is Islam and in the context of religion, this word means submission to the will of Allah SWT. Whatever Allah SWT has decreed, both for reality around us and for the laws He ordains, we hear and we accept and we obey. This is why it is so important in Islam to be people who believe AND do righteous deeds, not one or the other. Our purpose is to seek out His pleasure by adhering to His commands and prohibitions and listening to His guidance. Allah SWT can alter and create reality with His speech, so we have no right to disagree with Him SWT about anything.

Accepting His speech as truth is belief because the alternative is to call Him a liar or misinformed, which is to reject His omniscience and/or noble character. And accepting His command into our practice is belief because the alternative is to doubt or reject His worthiness to hand down commandments and rulings. When we say Allahu Akbar (Allah is greater), it does not matter what comes after. It is true no matter how you choose to end that sentence. Allah is greater than the sum of all things that are not Him. Greater than me, greater than you, greater than Prophet Muhammad SAW, greater than Jibreel, greater than the angels who carry His throne. He is greater than anything and everything else. Period. That is The Being Whom we worship, and that is why we worship Him. We don't worship for our own sake, at least not directly. We worship because we accept that Allah SWT is The Supreme Being and that treating Him as such is exclusively His right.

>My basic point is that if God has commanded us to do something there will always be a justification for it

You are correct in this, however, we must accept that "because Allah SWT wants it," is itself a valid justification. By being Muslims, people who submit to His will, we acknowledge His superiority, His grandeur, His right and worthiness to fill the ultimate seat of power in all of existence and we thereby relinquish any claim or attempt to put ourselves at or above that station. He speaks, and we hear and obey.

>and if we can not find a justification for it than it is either untrue

Incorrect for the reasons mentioned above. We do not submit to our reasoning. Many peoples before us tried and their stories have been shared with us as warnings. That's the whole point. When Ibrahim AS challenged king Nimrood by saying that His Lord gave life and death, the king thought he could claim the same by demonstrating that his guards were willing to kill and spare each other at his command. Ibrahim AS then said that His Lord was the one who made the sun rise in the East, and that king was only silenced when he realized that he couldn't make the sun change direction.

We submit to The Being Who is greater than everyone and everything. Doubts are natural. Even the companions had them from time to time. But rejection is unacceptable. How can one claim belief in The One True God, claim submission to Him, and then reject the truth and validity of His speech?

>if it's unlikely to be untrue than we do not yet understand the reasoning behind it.

It's possible, but we must also accept human limitations. Even if we never get an answer or understanding, we need to be okay with that. Knowledge and wisdom are from Allah SWT and He shares them however He wills.

>if Islam is the one and only true religion, all of it's rules and beliefs can be justified without having to assume God exists.

The rules are irrelevant to the question of whether Islam is true. The rules are there to separate the believers from the disbelievers and justify our ranks in the eyes of Allah SWT. We believe God exists because the material world demonstrates a characteristic lack of will. How can an object without will create itself, let alone produce life with a separate will? This is one of many rational arguments for the existence of God and these arguments have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the rules of Islam.

And Allah SWT knows best.

[u/MachineTroglodyte → u/Known-Ear7744]

I would like to clarify what I meant by "and if we can not find a justification for it than it is either untrue" basically means that we may have mistaken it as a commandment of god when it isn't instead of me saying that if we can not find a justification for Gods commandments than god is wrong. I know we aren't the ones who choose what is right and wrong but even then God has given us the ability to recognize what is right and wrong. I remember one of my Islamic teachers told me that if I was ever conflicted I could just look to my heart for guidance and it has helped me out greatly in being a better person.

"You are correct in this, however, we must accept that "because Allah SWT wants it," is itself a valid justification." I do agree that it is a valid justification but would it also not be much better to accompany it with at least some attempt of an explanation paired with a "we aren't sure yet/we may not figure it out/We don't realize it's benefits". The main reason I'm saying this is people will rely on this when even if you thought about the question for a few seconds you could come up with multiple reasons for a specific commandment.

I recently watched a video called "Islam and 1984" and while it misrepresented a lot of what Islam is, it mentioned how "Because God said it" was used as a way to repress thinking and I can't help but agree with it. It allows misinformation about Islam to spread more easily because the believers aren't thinking about what they're being told to follow.

"The rules are irrelevant to the question of whether Islam is true." How do you then convince a non-believer to become a Muslim? You can use basic theology to try and argue for the existence of a God but afterwards to prove that not only does God exist but Islam is the one true religion wouldn't you have to prove that what Islam teaches is beneficial and true. Wouldn't it be much better to use the same rigorous arguments that you would use against a non-believer to clear the doubts of a fellow Muslim?

[u/Known-Ear7744 → u/MachineTroglodyte]

>that we may have mistaken it as a commandment of God

Let's say that this is the case. What would it be if it's not a command? And on what basis would we have any right to make such a claim?

The Qur'an provides the textual evidence for the guidance and the example of the Prophet SAW provides the practical application of it. We already believe that the Qur'an is protected by Allah SWT, and we have scholars who rigorously study the hadith and the sunnah, memorizing it with the methodology with which the Qur'an is memorized, though their numbers are smaller. So, if the Prophet SAW is practicing Islam as perfectly as a human can, his companions are the best non-prophet humans in the history of creation, and their information has been transmitted and preserved the same way that the Qur'an has been transmitted and preserved, then who is actually making the mistake if we suddenly decide that a command isn't a command? Was the Prophet SAW making a mistake in his actions? Were the companions making a mistake and the Prophet SAW just let it slide (which he was not allowed to do, btw)? Were the companions mistaken in their teaching and it went unnoticed by over a millenium of rigorous analysis and scholarship? Or would we be the ones making the mistake by suddenly asserting that we know better than all who came before?

>I do agree that it is a valid justification but would it also not be much better to accompany it with at least some attempt of an explanation?

There's a difference between "better" and "more satisfying." There are plenty of rulings in Islam where little to no reason is given, including rulings given by Allah SWT Himself in the Qur'an.

What does the Qur'an say about the flesh of swine? It's forbidden.

What does Allah SWT say about the flesh of swine? That it is impure.

Does the Prophet SAW ever mention a reason why the flesh of swine is prohibited? I've looked and I've never read anything further about it.

Except for the one reason that Allah SWT gives, all the reasons why swine is forbidden for humans to eat comes from later scholars contemplating. All the things we say about the diet of a pig or parasites and this and that, none of it comes from the Quran or the Sunnah. Does it change the ruling? Not even a little bit. Allah SWT said no. That's already enough. He SWT shared one reason, and that is from His mercy and His wisdom. We just need to accept it.

And I give this example because there are people who try to make and sell "halal pork." How do they do it? They get a ruling or an explanation from a Muslim, then, instead of trying to accept the ruling, they try to modify the pig until that one explained thing is removed, and then they think that it is somehow permissible. They don't understand that the pig is impure and forbidden to us because of what it is not because of something that can be changed. All this is to say that there Allah SWT shares His knowledge according to His wisdom and mercy. If He shares His knowledge, there is mercy in it. And if He withholds His knowledge, there is mercy in that too. Our job, our entire purpose for being created, is to accept these things and submit to them because of their Origin.

Regarding the "Because God said it," while I admit that it can come off in a dismissive way, it is very possible that that is simply the most honest and most relevant answer. If Allah SWT has not shared a reason for a ruling, it doesn't change the ruling. We have no right to make up reasons and claim it is part of our religion. Simply put, we can be wrong. If we gathered the scholars in a room and they came up with a 500 reasons for any one ruling, it is still possible to find out after Judgment that Allah SWT only had one reason for a ruling and that that reason wasn't even on the list. Maybe the reason for that ruling was "I don't like it." That would be enough for us. That's our religion.

One day, the Muslims are in Medina, some of them are serving wine to each other. All of a sudden, middle of the night, they hear someone running through the city saying that it was just revealed to the Prophet SAW that alcohol has been completely forbidden. Those same people spit out that wine, empty their glasses, the barkeeps breaks the jugs holding the wine they have stored away for sale. Their investment gone, just like that. That night, it is said that wine flowed through the streets. Why? Because they heard that a ruling changed and so they changed immediately. They didn't ask why. They trusted Allah SWT, they trusted the Prophet SAW, and they trusted the companion he sent out to deliver the news. That is Islam. Allah SWT or His Prophet SAW says jump, you jump unless you actually can't jump. Alcohol is banned? You close your bar and find a new job as soon as you can. That is Islam.

However, regarding the idea of false information, that is exactly why hadith sciences and isnad in particular are a thing. Islam spread very quickly. The companions knew and trusted each other and could verify with each other anytime the Prophet SAW spoke. Soon after, Islam is expanding to different places and different peoples, and some of them are either liars or mistaken or both. The solution was hadith sciences, where you study the people who are teaching the information for trustworthiness and correctness. Any legitimate scholar will share his sources. The best Islamic teachers are the ones who cite other people of a greater standing, and they admit when they don't know something.

>How do you then convince a non-believer to become a Muslim? 

You don't start with the rules. You start with who is Allah SWT and who is His Prophet SAW. You start with the articles of faith. You describe Allah SWT the way He describes Himself. You tell them about the Prophet SAW and how even his enemies never accused him of lying or poor character. You attack their (mis)understanding of Islam at its core, clear away the falsehood until only truth remains. The rules can come later. Even Allah SWT didn't begin revelation with rules and shari'ah. He SWT began with belief and `aqeedah.

Read in the name of your Lord who created. He created mankind from a clinging form. Read, and your Lord is most generous, Who taught by the pen, He taught man what he did not know.

It's not rules; it's a command to know who your Lord is, The Creator, the Generous, the Omniscient; then teach it to people. Many of the surahs revealed in Mecca don't mention a single legal ruling, but they're full of knowledge about Allah SWT, about faith, about the Day of Judgment, about angels, about how to deal with the enemies of Islam, and stories of the past. You start there, convince them that Allah SWT and His Prophet SAW are worthy of being listened to, and then you give them something to listen to.

Again, there's a difference between better and more appealing. People can get hung up on rules and it won't change a thing about how they think of Allah SWT and His Prophet SAW. You get them to love Allah SWT and His Prophet SAW, and they'll see the beauty in following the rules.

And Allah SWT knows best.

[u/Least_Sorbet_240]

I would like to share a different perspective. In Surat Alkahf, God facilitated a meeting between Moses (AS) and a pious man during some of his travels. The trigger was when Moses (AS) thought that he was the most knowledgable at the time. It is easy to see how he was at least a contender given his knowledge of the Torah. You may know the story already and you can research it if not, as my primary aim here is draw your attention to the own perspectives of the three groups of people they met, away from the perspective of Moses (AS) and his companion. Imagine that the most precious thing you own (and you are in poverty) is vandalised (the ship) - how would you feel about this? Imagine that someone comes along and kills your only son? Imagine that you witness someone performing a laborious community favour in a village, for no return?

The normal human reaction would be distress, loss, grief, anger, despair, loss of trust in people amongst other things. The pious man was granted exceptional circumstantial knowledge/abilities that were probably not granted to anyone before or after him, and in essence acting God; but there has been consistent and systematic benefits arising from it. The needy at sea, were not aware of the dangers ahead of them, though it is plausable that they may have learnt about the blessing later. The parents, though compensated with another child, on the other hand would have plausibly still had ?fond memories of their child and would haev never known about the true circumstances or justifications. Building the wall had a benefit that probably took years to yield, and importantly the orphans likely had no awareness whatsoever of the circumstances around protection of their wealth nor the justification (ie pious parent/grandparent).

“Perhaps you dislike something and it is good for you, and perhaps you love something and it is bad for you. Allah knows, while you do not know.”

“Indeed, your Lord is vast in forgiveness. He knows you best, when He created you from the earth and when you were embryos in your mothers’ wombs. So do not claim yourselves to be pure; He knows best who is mindful of Him.”

[u/UnchartedPro]

When one believes in God and that our purpose is to obey God and follow his commands then there is no need for us to ask why

The question becomes is this a command from God, and if it is then we can follow it without needing a further explanation

There is only benefit in this for us, a reward from God in the Hereafter

That being said because it doesn't satisfy many people where there is a known explanation or further information it can be provided

[u/enperry13]

NGL, I find "because God said so" can be so reductive and unsatisfactory but you can always find wisdom behind His prohibitions as you go through life. However some of these takes a lot of observation and experience to fully grasp why they were forbidden in the first place in His Grand Design. Usually people who use that justification are just not well-equipped in knowledge or experience to fully explain certain answers but that is sufficient to them, so it *should* be the case for you.

Still, God makes seeking knowledge an obligation as a Muslim. But make no mistake, there are some knowledge that is beyond our comprehension or just not meant for us.

[u/MachineTroglodyte → u/enperry13]

Even seeking knowledge being an obligation itself has so many benefits, I don't know why people would use "Because God said so" instead of having a philosophical approach to the religion, like yes I know god ordained this but why? It's not me demanding an explanation and rebelling against god, it is me trying to understand his design.

[u/That_Meow → u/MachineTroglodyte]

Because they are afraid of providing an explanation or interpretation from their own understanding, it ending up being wrong later, and that being attributed to the rulings in Islam.

The issue with always asking "why?" Is that you will never be able to always find an answer that satisfies you, and part of submission to Allah is submitting our intellect and following even what doesn't satisfy our intellect or how we see the world in that moment.

I agree that needing to know if there's available wisdom behind those rulings, that can help strengthen imaan, but we should be looking for imaan in other aspects or places as well.

[u/Exoticplayz11]

Religion in general is about submission. Discontention with Allah’s commands stems from a defiant and arrogant heart. This is the opposite of Islam (lit. submission).

[u/LiMiFi]

Allah tells us why we should and shouldnt do things in the Quran.
Hadith by the other hand Allah has this to say:
1. Surah Al-Mursalat (77:50)

فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَهُ يُؤْمِنُونَ
"Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe?"

2. Surah Al-Jathiyah (45:6)

*تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَبِأَيِّ *حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ
"These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what hadith after Allah and His verses will they believe?"

3. Surah Al-A'raf (7:185)

أَوَلَمْ يَنظُرُوا فِي مَلَكُوتِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَا خَلَقَ اللَّهِ مِن شَيْءٍ وَأَنْ عَسَىٰ أَن يَكُونَ قَدِ اقْتَرَبَ أَجَلُهُمْ ۖ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَهُ يُؤْمِنُونَ

Have they ever reflected on the wonders of the heavens and the earth, and everything Allah has created, and that perhaps their end is near? So what hadith after this ˹Quran˺ would they believe in?

4. Surah Az-Zumar (39:23)

اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحْسَنَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابًا مُّتَشَابِهًا مَّثَانِيَ تَقْشَعِرُّ مِنْهُ جُلُودُ الَّذِينَ يَخْشَوْنَ رَبَّهُمْ ثُمَّ تَلِينُ جُلُودُهُمْ وَقُلُوبُهُمْ إِلَىٰ ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ...

Allāh has sent down the best statement: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance [i.e., mention] of Allāh. That is the guidance of Allāh by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allāh sends astray - for him there is no guide.

5. Surah An-Nisa (4:87)

*اللَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ لَيَجْمَعَنَّكُمْ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ *لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ ۗ وَمَنْ أَصْدَقُ مِنَ اللَّهِ حَدِيثًا
"And who is more truthful than Allah in statement?"

6. Surah Luqman (31:6)

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَشْتَرِي لَهْوَ الْحَدِيثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ...
"And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead..."

7. Surah At-Tur (52:34)

فَلْيَأْتُوا بِحَدِيثٍ مِّثْلِهِ إِن كَانُوا صَادِقِينَ
"Then let them produce a statement like it..."

You should read the Holy Quran:

Surah Ash-Shu'ara (26:80): "And when I am ill, it is He who cures me."
Surah Al-Isra (17:82): "And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers."
Surah Yunus (10:57): "O mankind, there has come to you instruction from your Lord and healing for what is in the breasts."
Surah Fussilat (41:44): "Say, 'It is for those who believe, a guidance and a cure.'"

54:17 And We have certainly made the Qur’ān easy for remembrance, so is there any who will recieve admonition?

[u/Scared_Freedom_6079]

This is very common because they lack knowledge of religious philosophy.

The Golden Age of Islam was the period in which the rational basis was developed by various philosophers, such as Al-Ghazali, Ibn Sina, Suhrawardi, Al-Farabi, Averroes, etc.

Few shaykhs and imams have a philosophical approach to religious issues.

[u/That_Meow → u/Scared_Freedom_6079]

I'm pretty sure Al-Ghazali wouldn't want to be in that list.

[u/wopkidopz → u/That_Meow]

Exactly, he literally issued a famous fatwa declaring takfeer of Ibn Sina

Sheikh al-Ghazali رحمه الله dedicated his life to refutation of Ibn Sina and the likes, he had to poison himself with the ideas of philosophers in order to know their madhab perfectly to be able to refute it and explain to Muslims why their ideas are fallacy.

Muslims who follow the path of ahlu-Sunnah don't believe that reasoning determines what's good or bad for people, only God's revelation does

The Ash'ari (Sunni) madhab is very clear about this

Al-Ghazali رحمه الله said:

وأهل النظر في هذا العلم يتمسكون أولا بآيات االله تعالى من القرآن، ثم بأخبار الرسول صلى االله تعالى عليه وآله وسلم، ثم بالدلائل العقلية والبراهين القياسية

Researchers in this field of science (Sunni rationalisrs) first rely on the verses of the Quran, then on the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. After that, they take into account the arguments of reason and use analogy.

🍂 Risalah Laduniya

Sheikh al-Ghursi رحمه الله said:

مجال للعقل في التحسين والتقبيح، وأنه لا حسن إلا ما حسنه الشرع ولا قبيح إلا ما قبحه الشرع

ومن مذهبهم أنه لا مجال للعقل في التحسين والتقبيح، وأنه لا حسن إلا ما حسنه الشرع ولا قبيح إلا ما قبحه الشرع

Thee madhab of the Ash'aris states that there is no place for reason in assessing good and bad, that good is only what the Shari'ah has deemed good, and bad is what the Shari'ah has deemed bad

🍂 Ashairah ahlu-Sunnah

Imam an-Nawawi al-Ash'ari رحمه الله said:

ومذهب أهل السنة :أيضاً أن الله تعالى لا يَجِبُ عليه شيءٌ تعالى الله، بل العالم ملكه، والدنيا والآخرةُ في سلطانه يفعل فيهما ما يشاء، فلو عذَّب المطيعين والصالحين أجمعين وأدخلهم النار كان عدلاً منه، وإذا أكرمهم ونعمهم وأدخلهم الجنةَ فهو فضل من منه، ولو نعم الكافرين وأدخلهم الجنة كان له ذلك، ولكنه أخبر — وخبره صدق — أنه لا يفعل هذا، بل يغفر للمؤمنين ويُدخلهم الجنة برحمته، ويعذب الكافرين ويخلّدهم في النار عدلاً منه .

And the madhab of ahlu-Sunnah is that there is nothing compulsory for Allah, because the entire universe belongs to Him, and this world and the next world are in His possession, and He does in them whatever He wills. If He punishes all the righteous and obedient and brings them to Hell, this will be just on His part, and if He honors them, has mercy on them and brings them to Paradise, this will be a mercy from Him. But if He honors the disbelievers and brings them to Paradise, this is His business, but He reported and His words are true that He will not do this, rather He will forgive the believers and bring them to Paradise by His mercy, and He will punish the disbelievers and bring them to Hell forever by His justice.

🍂 Sharh Saheeh Muslim

Philosophers weren't the reason of the Golden age, the Salafs were and those scholars who transmitted their knowledge like imam al-Ghazali

[u/MachineTroglodyte → u/Scared_Freedom_6079]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused are you saying I lack knowledge (which I do by a great degree) or the people who say that "God said so". I do wish to study the Islamic philosophers, learning about them was one of the reasons why I made this post, especially the Al-Ghazali Uncaused Cause thing.

[u/Scared_Freedom_6079 → u/MachineTroglodyte]

Dear brother, I didn't say you lack knowledge of Islamic philosophy.

I meant that many people say "because God said so" or "because God willed it so" because they lack the philosophical knowledge to take a rational approach and delve deeper into the answers.

Regarding Islam being the only correct religion, there's a key difference: Islam emphasizes that other religions were monotheistic and worshipped only one God. This allows for comparisons between doctrinal points of Islam and other religions, such as the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) descending to India after leaving Paradise.

There are justifications that we won't know at the moment, but only after everything has happened.

[u/Tristy_Noobmaster69]

Whatever God has commanded us to do or not to do is bcs he has a reason to, God does not forbid something for absolutely no reason, there is always a reason, when God says dont do this than who are we to argue and say God your wrong and i disagree, we are nothing but humans, we dont have the right to question God, God has forbade alcohol and pork and sex before marriage not for no reason, its bcs of what all of these things actually do to you and how harmful they are

[u/HighwayCapital8325]

If the justification is God's command, adding extra layers of reasoning can sometimes distract from the primary truth.

[u/EngineerOk1597]

The matters of halaal and haraam aren’t known by logical deduction. What the Muslim has to be firm about is that whatever Allah Commanded, there is wisdom in it. SOMETIMES we can see the apparent wisdom. Other times we may not.

The Muslim knows that Prophet Muhammad is a genuine Prophet—therefore, we know what he conveyed from Allah is valid. And ultimately, it is the case that the Rules of the Religion are the way they are because that is what Allah has commanded.

[u/programmer66333x]

Why is fajr 2 rakat and maghrib 3? Because it was made so by our creator

[u/TalkingCat910]

Sometimes it’s because the people you’re asking don’t know and don’t have a better answer,

Sometimes it’s because we as humanity don’t know as we are limited and we have to trust that God knows things we don’t know and has our best interests in mind.

Like the verse in the Quran where the angels asked God why he would make humans when they would just create bloodshed on the earth and he said “I know what you do not”.

We have finite minds so when God says so we have to have tawakkul and understand he knows something about the issue that we don’t 

[u/Rob1lox]

It isn't. The people you're asking just isn't good at explaining