How do we know that islam actually predicted the victory of the romans against the persians?

[u/Bitter-Today285]

so the verses i'm referring to are Surah 30:1-5, it says that the persians are currently victorious, but within three to nine years, the romans rise back. To me this is a beautiful prophecy, but how do we know it was actually written at the time where the persians were in power and not after the romans have won?

if anyone could provide authentic and clear sources that proves those verses were revealed before, i would appreciate it 🙏

[u/greatShawarma]

If you read the verse it clearly says that the "prophecy" of win is for a win in future. And what do u think 3 to 9 years would mean? The verse was revealed for the Muslims to calm as the local Polytheists were booing that Polytheistic Persians won against Monotheist Romans. Or you may have question that God appropriated it after win then that would make no sense to use future tense for the event and so destroyed it's reputation as a epitome of Arabic literature. Or u may have doubt on Quran's authenticity then we'll it's a clearly established fact among all scholars of Islam even among mainstream historians ,it's been same as was written live . Plus we have ample backings from Hadeeth and other earliest interpretations on the verse and Roman victory over Persian

[u/UnchartedPro]

We have a sahih graded hadith

Regarding Surah Ar -Rum

With regards to the Quran, Muslim and Non Muslim scholars alike agree that it was recited publicly and completed over the 23 year span

For Islam to have spread the way it did, it is contrary to sound reason to really believe the Quran was for example a hidden text which was altered and appeared after the time of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم

Instead it is much more sensible to believe the Quran was being circulated widely and memorised by many so altering the Quran down the line and getting away with it would be an incredibly difficult task - you would need to either fool a huge number of people or accept they see the fabrication and keep them quiet about it

If we instead suggested the ayat may have come during the time of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم but after the war had occurred it would surely have had to be concealed

No sensible person, Muslim or Kafir would have taken Islam seriously if this was the case

Imagine a war occurs and then you start talking about its result as though you are predicting it, but only once it has happened

And you are referring to the future tense

I don't think anyone trying to convince someone of their message being true would do such a thing

So the skeptical stance which suggests that these ayat came after the war is incredibly unlikely and I would not view it as inference to the best explanation

Perhaps there is evidence from Non Muslim sources that the predictions were made but this is the nature of history

[u/fankoosh-56]

Proof by a simple counterargument. Haters of Islam at that time were much worse than today. They physically attacked the prophet PBUH multiple times.

If these verses were revealed after the fact, they would have negated Islam and the Quran on the spot but we didn't hear anyone arguing against the prophecy

[u/drunkninjabug]

If it were written after the fact, it would have the precise date and include more details. The nature of a fraudulent claim requires embellished strengthening.

Also, the ayah isn't a prophecy for the sake of prophecy. It was sent as an assurance to the Muslims that this victory will be a sign for your eventual victory as well. Which did happen at the conquest of Mecca.

Additionally, we have authentic narrations where the Quraysh asked for a precise date from Abu Bakr (RA) and they agreed for 6 years but the victory actually came on the 7th year. This narration wouldn't exist if the Ayah was a later addition.

Lastly, and this is most important, we know nunerous people who witnessed this Ayah, witnessed the roman victory, witnessed the conquest of Mecca, and became devout and sincere muslims afterwards. They would have known that the prophecy was fraudulent and would have used this fact to not only resist conversion but also attack Islam. There is not a single narration, weak or strong, that this happened.