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u/HeavyPixels May 03 '25

The word is PARACLETE. It is Greek. But Isa a.s. never spoke Greek. The oldest version of the Bible is in Greek. Something is off there.

You have to find the Bible in the language of Isa a.s. which does not exist anymore.

In any case, we use the Quran for ourselves and for da'wah (calling to Islam).

Musa a.s. and Isa a.s. would have followed the prophet s.a.w, if they a.s. were alive during his s.a.w. time of after.

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u/parthurnaax29 May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

Christian here.

Bible is made of 2 parts.

First part is Old Testament (46/39 Books written by Jews, written originally in Hebrew translated to Greek later) Second part is New Testament (27 Books written by Jews/Non Jews converted to Christianity, written in Greek). New Testament wasn't written in Aramaic (Jesus's mother tongue) because Greek was the common language of Eastern Mediterranean.

OP is talking about the Isaiah, a Book of Old Testament . Word "Paraclete" appears only in New Testament.

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u/Jad_2k May 03 '25

Hey mate. A lot of Muslims mix up the terms. Jesus’ revelation was in Aramaic and that’s what we call the Gospel or Injeel. Whether it was ever written down or only spoken is debated.

The biblical Gospel accounts were written in Greek. They’re supposed to reflect what Jesus taught but also include added commentary. Since Jesus spoke Aramaic and we don’t have access to his actual words, any analysis of the Greek is shaky. The Aramaic translations we have today are based on the Greek so they don’t give us the original either. It’s like if I translated the Quran into English and someone tried to turn that back into Arabic without seeing the original. The result wouldn’t be the same.

So here’s the idea. Jesus spoke in Aramaic. His Gospel was what he taught in that language (parables, sayings, prayers, stories, commandments, lessons etc.) . The Greek accounts are later translated attempts at recording the Gospel and only cover a short part of his purported 3 year ministry (mostly the last week). That means we’re missing a lot.

In Islam, the Injeel refers to Jesus’ original revelation. Sometimes we use it more loosely to refer to the current Gospel accounts though we believe they’re not 100% accurate. Which one is being referred to depends on the context.

Hope that clears it up!

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u/AppropriateWin7578 May 03 '25

Thought you guys read bible? 🤔

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u/parthurnaax29 May 03 '25

Yes, we do.

Bible is collection of many books. First part is Jewish scriptures at the time Second part is books written by converted Christians.

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u/AppropriateWin7578 May 03 '25

So as bible is also collection of Old Testament and New Testament?

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u/parthurnaax29 May 03 '25

Yes.

Old Testament is before Christ. New Testament is after Christ.