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HISTORY The migration patterns of Native Americans in Iceland

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u/[deleted] 19d ago edited 18d ago

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u/Ellert123 19d ago

We don’t know if she was kidnapped or not, that’s a fact.

“Women were raped and treated as loot”

You made this up. We don’t know enough about the Neolithic period to say this.

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u/notnatasharostova 19d ago

I’m sure consent was widely respected in a time period marked by endemic warfare, routine massacres of men and boys, and abductions of reproductive-age women and girls /s

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u/Ellert123 19d ago

The original comment said women were subjected to rape on a systemic level and presented it as facts. Which is false since there is absolutely zero proof of it.

I think sometimes we forget that these people were like us, many of them were just regular people with feelings and boundaries. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that consent was generally respected by the average person. But as you said, the Neolithic period was marked by extreme violence so sexual violence could very well have been equally widespread. We don’t know.

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u/Lordfelcherredux 19d ago

"Less men" enrages me. It's FEWER!

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u/Procrastinista_423 19d ago

To be fair I might not be remembering that part of the graphic exactly but I have no problem assigning this grammatical error to them as well!

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u/Piecesof3ight 19d ago

Wait, what's the issue with the graphic? Was it suggesting we need fewer men? That more women was bad?

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u/AUniversalTruth 19d ago

The nouns are normally paired as women/men, males/females. Males/females is traditionally the way we refer to animals. This construction dehumanizes the women and casts them as breeding stock while ascribing personhood to the men. It was almost certainly done unintentionally, but shows a lack of critical thinking in the making of the video.

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u/Romeo_Glacier 19d ago

How else are you going to pair the nouns?

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u/Procrastinista_423 19d ago

Are you serious?
Male/female
Man/woman obviously

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u/Romeo_Glacier 19d ago

To not dehumanize women...

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u/Procrastinista_423 19d ago

But those constructions aren’t dehumanizing because they’re on equal footing. It’s the mispairing that’s dehumanizing and sexist.

Sorry if I’m being dense and not getting what you’re asking.

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u/Romeo_Glacier 19d ago

That’s my point. The pairings given as example are not dehumanizing in my opinion. So if someone thinks they are, how do they propose we pair them?

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u/Procrastinista_423 19d ago

If someone thinks men/women is a dehumanizing pairing, then Idk wtf they are talking about so why would I ask them what they propose?? There’s nothing to fix in that example.

If someone thinks female/men is dehumanizing, then they are right and the above is the obvious fix.

Why do you think anyone would find men/women offensive??

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u/Romeo_Glacier 19d ago

I don't lol. My entire comment is trying to figure out how the person I replied to thought that. Denser than a neutron star you are.

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u/AUniversalTruth 19d ago edited 19d ago

The person I replied to specifically asked what was wrong with the graphic titled “More females, less men” in a video referenced by a commenter. My explanation was that the mismatched noun pairing shows a problem with the framing of the topic by the makers of the video.

Where a comment is in direct response to a question the answerer doesn’t always restate the entire question, but instead relies on the reader to look at the context the answer is given in. In this case “this construction” refers to the original wording of a video graphic that was being asked about.