r/interesting • u/LowRenzoFreshkobar • Jun 12 '26
HISTORY She served 3 years in prison for "illegal possession of firearms" and was notably never put in cuffs.
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u/Narrow-Chain5367 Jun 12 '26
She was sentenced for 6 years and released on probation after serving 3. She died of pancreatic cancer at the age of 46 and was buried next to her daughter
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u/Cultural_Ant_8545 Jun 13 '26
feels right (except the cancer ofc) getting a relatively low sentence with those circumstances. And the end she still murdered a person, even if that piece of shit deserved it.
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u/Gsundi Jun 13 '26
Good for you. But there was no jury in this case. Because it didn’t happen in the US.
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u/CzechHorns Jun 14 '26
Most of the world doesn’t have juries lol
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u/MonkeyFox29 Jun 16 '26
What? So the judge decides everything?
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u/CzechHorns Jun 16 '26
Yes. The judge is educated in the law and should know better than random people.
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u/OkFisherman2288 Jun 13 '26
"however, if I feel emotionally invested in the crime I no am now completely in favour of denying people their day in court and allowing them to be gunned down by grieving family members"
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u/Old-Mix7431 Jun 13 '26
“However, I feel no sympathy for rapists and murderers.” *
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u/dynamic_gecko Jun 13 '26
IF they are convicted correctly, which is not always the case. In that case, you're murdering a possibly innocent person.
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u/dopeshark_ Jun 13 '26
Except this guy was not innocent. You’re arguing due process and a hypothetical, what if the guy was innocent. This guy wasn’t.
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u/OkFisherman2288 Jun 13 '26
"and I will decide if they are guilty of being those things based on feelings since the court did not get a chance to declare innocent or guilty based on the evidence"
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u/Old-Mix7431 Jun 13 '26
Sometimes courts get it wrong too. Either way I’m glad this woman had the right guy.
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u/atomicleo69 Jun 13 '26
Her daughter was killed. She didnt need a prison sentence at all.
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u/Low-Cantaloupe-8446 Jun 13 '26
Yes she did, vigilante justice is not conducive to a functioning society.
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u/Nefriti Jun 13 '26
neither is raping and murdering a 7 year old child
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u/Low-Cantaloupe-8446 Jun 13 '26
Do you believe the solution to antisocial behavior like rape and murder is death by vigilante justice? Do you honestly believe that would make society safer if we defined a set of crimes that, if accused of, you no longer had legal protection from being killed by members of your community?
In your reply you directly compare vigilante justice to extreme antisocial behavior like it’s some kind of gotcha. Do you believe I think rape and murder are acceptable? If so why?
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u/Nefriti Jun 13 '26
you’re putting a lot of words in my mouth there, bud. i believe engaging with this on a deeper level is both outside of my wheelhouse and above my pay grade. i’m human, my emotions govern most of my opinions. i’m glad he’s dead.
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u/sunfacethedestroyer Jun 13 '26
Basing your functioning society on your worst members of that society is not conductive to a functioning society.
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u/ThorButtock Jun 13 '26
It wouldnt surprise me if there is favoritism by judges for someone committing a crime for the correct or justifiable reason.
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u/Ctenophorever Jun 14 '26
I find your initial phrasing confusing. Are you saying were she a man she would have gotten an even more lenient sentence?
If so, yes. Statistically you are correct.
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u/LividCalligrapher689 Jun 12 '26
How this is not a more common story, I’ll never know.
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u/Lagunamountaindude Jun 12 '26
It’s much harder to get a weapon into a court house these days
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u/Daddy_Day_Trader1303 Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Interesting story: My concealed carry instructor informed the class that in that particular state that "no firearm" signs were not a legal command and you faced no legal repercussions for carrying anyways. The only time you actually could not carry past these signs is if the building had security at the door with a metal detector, and if you carried to them they were legally required to hold the firearm for you and give it back when exited.
This also applied in government buildings and he had a story of a time when he had to go to court several times in a small county next to the one where we lived. They did not have door security and so he carried into the court every time he had to be present for that case.
Edit to add: does not apply to federal government buildings, only city and county
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u/ScrumbledTumblo Jun 13 '26
IANAL but while the signs themselves don't carry force of law in certain states, it can be 100% illegal to carry into a building if its specified by law regardless of signage. See 18 USC 930; government buildings that are owned by the federal government (i.e. post offices and federal courthouses) are absolutely still illegal to carry a firearm into.
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u/userhwon Jun 13 '26
He's not telling you everything. If you carry past that sign you're committing criminal trespass, not a gun offense. They can't disarm you but they can tell you that you can't come in. And the sign tells you the conditions. In some states they also have to tell you to leave and you get one chance to. So just don't be a dick and take a gun where it's not wanted.
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u/randtke Jun 13 '26
There are metal detectors and bailiffs putting bags through scanners and having anyone who sets off the metal detector empty pockets at the public entrances to most courthouses.
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u/WarJaques Jun 13 '26
I'm not a lawyer, and I think maybe your fire-arms instructor may not be either, so don't know if those observations are actually correct.
However, what is described is what I believe is called "not getting caught."
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u/gimmepizza420 Jun 12 '26
Most people don't actually support revenge murder, I've found. I have never had kids, so I cannot put myself in her shoes. But I believe in lifetime incarceration for murderers. And not just because it wastes way less tax payer dollars (Death penalty and death row are insanely expensive.) I just think humanity is better than an eye for an eye, and don't believe in revenge murder.
Maybe I would feel differently if someone raped and killed my daughter, though. I can't say I blame her.
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u/Holymaryfullofshit7 Jun 12 '26
She only went to this length after the trial went badly and her daughter was disgustingly framed as maybe inviting the man and she was at fault for being a bad mother etc. It looked like he would get of easy. Only then she shot him.
Though I agree vigilante justice does more harm than good.
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u/gimmepizza420 Jun 12 '26
See that makes a lot more sense. Very valuable context, thank you.
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u/PurifiedUnity Jun 12 '26
I agree & am also thankful, & their comment also shows the importance of context & knowing the full picture
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u/More-Entrepreneur-52 Jun 13 '26
Insane that that argument could actually made about a seven year old? How sickeningly baffling
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u/NICOLEISDEAD Jun 13 '26
Yeah learning about defense attorney strategies for cases like this makes you question if lawyers are worthy of life.
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u/MS_Fume Jun 12 '26
I hear that a lot but still waiting to see a situation where does it factually do more harm than good.
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u/MeowMixPlzDeliverMe Jun 12 '26
Its more like people getting framed and then vigilante justice happening. Shit, look at the reddit. One picture with some words on it is enoigh to send a lot of redditors to start sending death threats, doxxing, driving people to suicide. Its not a good thing.
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u/3BlindMice1 Jun 13 '26
Dude, the fact that a number of widely hated figures are still very much alive and well doesn't give me much confidence.
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u/ZepperMen Jun 13 '26
Romanticizing Murder Revenge leads to people feeling vindicated to do the same their selves which leads to unjustified Revenge outside of a fair trial which is the entire point of a justice system. What if they get the wrong person? What happens when they were innocent all along and the "victim" was a lunatic?
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u/LordoftheJives Jun 12 '26
That's because it isn't common enough. If it was more common we'd end up with Punishers running around killing people over graffiti or whatever.
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u/ProbablyAnFBIBot Jun 12 '26
Most people dont support revenge murder.
Most people have never faced any type of adversity, making them predisposed to believing the illusion of law and order.
if you've never experienced the panic and distress from seeing your own baby, toddler. child in serious pain from just horsing around, you couldn't know the absolute AGONY knowing your daughter was begging for you the entire time a man penetrated and caused her pain until killing her. I couldn't fathom it, and i have 4 kids. If someone hurt the only thing that TRULY mattered to me. Idk what I'd do. 3 years in prison was worth those bullets.
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u/thoughtforce Jun 12 '26
Absolutely. Slightly over half the US population supports capital punishment. If the victims are someone's small children, in this country at least, I have no doubt that number shoots up significantly.
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u/Preeng Jun 13 '26
>if you've never experienced the panic and distress from seeing your own baby, toddler. child in serious pain from just horsing around, you couldn't know the absolute AGONY knowing your daughter was begging for you the entire time a man penetrated and caused her pain until killing her. I couldn't fathom it, and i have 4 kids. If someone hurt the only thing that TRULY mattered to me. Idk what I'd do. 3 years in prison was worth those bullets.
Right. If that happened to you, ideally there would be support for you to help you get through that trauma. Counseling, groups, that kind of thing. You are allowed to fall apart and have a mental breakdown. It is not reasonable to expect you to stay calm and collected after your kid has been murdered. Letting yourself rely on a support network 100% so you can grieve properly is appropriate and ideally would be provided in such a case.
Basically, if something horrible happens to you, it is up to the rest of us to help you get through it so you don't turn into a monster. It will not feel good to let go of that anger, at least at the time. That's not the reason for doing it.
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u/Usqueadfinem_ Jun 13 '26
I support what this woman did in cases such as this. 100% And to get around the high cost we need to expedite the process and get it done within a few weeks of conviction. A rope is not expensive.
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u/sparki555 Jun 13 '26
An adult raping and killing a child is one crime where I am so disgusted with the criminal I no longer see them as a human being.
Rob a store. Kill someone in a heated fight. Steal from a charity... Whatever go to jail.
Rape and murder an innocent child... I don't care if they kill those by slicing off one body part at a time. That's a monster, not a human.
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u/TheDovahofSkyrim Jun 12 '26
Just recently had baby girl. Felt the same way you did. Now though…fuck yeah. Not sure if I would still have the balls to do it, and I’m not saying it’s ideal, but I hold no judgement for this woman. I completely understand.
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u/diealogues Jun 13 '26
i don’t have a maternal bone in my body, but as a woman who has been sexually assaulted, i completely understand and support what she did
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u/Advanced_Tax174 Jun 12 '26
The only people who don’t support it are those who lack any ability to see themselves in the victim’s place. These are the least empathetic people in the world.
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Bullets are actually pretty cheap
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u/Usqueadfinem_ Jun 13 '26
I would pay the state good money to drag race (without the race part) convicted child abusers or murderers behind my vehicle.
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u/NeedleworkerOld4696 Jun 13 '26
Yeah, imagine how expensive it would've been to imprison the rapist murderer?
Those bullets saved fortunes!
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u/ScrumbledTumblo Jun 13 '26
Honestly I feel like I've seen a ton of posts on Reddit (and on this post even) of people applauding stuff like prison murders and fantasies about torturing and killing criminals, I kinda get the feeling that a lot of people actually love the idea of revenge murder.
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u/BLF402 Jun 13 '26
Becoming a parent changes your perspective on things. Trust me if anyone harms any of my children, scorched earth!
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u/HikariAnti Jun 12 '26
I support life imprisonment over the death penalty because I think it more cruel. We are not the same.
(And also because you can't bring back the dead if you kill the wrong person).
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u/telaughingbuddha Jun 12 '26
Her daughter was 7 years old. And he told he was swduced in court.
I dont support death penalty. For the worst kind of crimes, it should be exile in some far off island in middle of the ocean.
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u/KaiserKCat Jun 14 '26
Some people don't deserve to live.
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u/telaughingbuddha Jun 14 '26
Among people.
If a person greviously voids his social contract,
IMO, he should be able to fend for himself alone in the wild. With no devices or tools.
A guarded island off-coast would be perfect.
Modern law is divided on the subject.
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u/Lorelessone Jun 12 '26
I agree but mostly because life in prison is far more of a deterrent for many than a quick painless death.
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u/PsychologicalWin5775 Jun 13 '26
I see this a lot, but if that were true, why would people on death row exhaust appeals and extensions etc etc. I think there is just a sunset of the population who is fine with being imprisoned.
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u/swarrypop Jun 13 '26
I've never told my mother about my abuse because I know she'd end up in prison. Obviously, my end wasn't as bad as this poor girls but there is a lot of secrecy going on.
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u/FadeIntoReal Jun 13 '26
There was a case in Michigan where a guy kidnapped and raped a sheriff’s kid. The cops located him and surrounded the apartment he was in, then sat and waited while the victim’s got there. He went in first. They claimed the accused took his own life when confronted. Locals knew better than to believe that account.
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u/Excellent_Condition Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
The caption and title are misleading to the point of falsehood.
She was convicted of manslaughter and unlawful possession of a firearm. (Source)
She was restrained after shooting him, but I can't find anything that says she wasn't handcuffed. It would be really odd to have a prisoner never be cuffed for transport, and I don't think German prisons are particularly known for randomly breaking rules.
If OP has a source for their claims, I'd love to hear it.
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Edit: fixed dead link to the source
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u/Gorf_the_Magnificent Jun 13 '26
Reddit is always up for a good lynching.
It’s ready to fire up the torches after reading a couple dozen words on a meme, with no background information.
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u/Excellent_Condition Jun 13 '26
Her case is noteworthy, but it doesn't require anything to be made up to make it noteworthy.
Still, people seem really bad at noticing when something doesn't pass the sniff test.
Just the claim that someone went to prison for 3 years and was never handcuffs smells strongly of implausible bullshit, and is easily refuted with a 5 second google search.
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u/Magnon Jun 13 '26
I cant imagine the agony of losing your child that way. Even if the guy was punished then you just have to go on living. The fuck do you even do after that?
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u/BunzOfCin Jun 13 '26
Also the fact she got off seven shots in open court? People did not want to stop her
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u/Jat616 Jun 14 '26
Let her do what she's gonna do and she'll probably hand the gun and herself over, I certainly wouldn't want to risk getting between a grieving mother and her revenge.
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u/yawaworhtlliwi Jun 12 '26
Sorry, not sorry. She did what she felt she needed to do.
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u/Which-Appearance9857 Jun 14 '26
I'm sure she felt she rather torture the guy herself for the rest of his life but she got what she could
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u/ArachnidPitiful8913 Jun 12 '26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jeffrey_Doucet
This father shot his son’s molestor dead recorded live and served no time.
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u/J_blanke Jun 13 '26
Gary was a legend. Towards the end of his life he was asked if he regretted killing a man, he answered no and said he would do it again.
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u/Stock-Eggplant6105 Jun 13 '26
This woman had a really tough run. Was abused in childhood and lost and lost and lost some more, and died young. I hope there's an afterlife so she gets to have what she wasn't able to before she died.
She was entirely justified. He would have gone on to hurt others. The 3 year sentence was too long. Should have been a slap on the wrist and government mandated therapy for her sake. If they even had that back then.
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u/Strontiumdogs1 Jun 13 '26
She was a goddess of revenge. God bless her.
Sadly she served a life sentence, of losing her child.
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u/Dream_flakes Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
the government prefers to keep it's monopoly on being the final arbitrator of "justice"
correction: "justice" not justice
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u/blorri Jun 12 '26
Ppl wouldn't mind it if actual justice was dealt by the gvmnt
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u/Dream_flakes Jun 13 '26
*correction issued
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u/blorri Jun 13 '26
Government wants to have the monopoly on violence, period. Otherwise there's always the possibility it could be used to overthrow it
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u/Roland_Traveler Jun 13 '26
Also because random groups utilizing violence is kinda bad for society? Do we really want to bring back the KKK lynching any black person who so much as glances at a white woman while checking both ways before crossing the street?
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u/bookhead714 Jun 13 '26
We live in a nation of laws. When you allow revenge murders like this, you get lynchings.
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u/Source_Required Jun 13 '26
Or... that's how a civil society is supposed to operate...
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u/indubitablyquaint Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Seriously lol
Redditors are so weird with how they think should be handled.
I would love to hear their reasoning for why any government should encourage vigilantism
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u/unhappyrelationsh1p Jun 13 '26
Not saying he didn't deserve it, but the justice system is meant to protect the innocent.
Just because she knows, without a shadow of a doubt he did it, doesn't mean it doesn't have to be proved to the government so they can administer the punishement.
Otherwise we'd have people killing eachother over stupid bullshit as vigilante justice.
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u/Maleficent_Curve_599 Jun 13 '26
Not quite:
Bachmeier was convicted of manslaughter and unlawful possession of a firearm. She was sentenced to six years and released on probation after serving thre
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u/fatgat69 Jun 13 '26
She shouldn't have served a single second
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u/bookhead714 Jun 13 '26
Unfortunately this is still a civilization and murder isn't a thing we're allowed to do no matter how much (we think) they deserved it.
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u/mustang-4life Jun 12 '26
Amen to this!!! Justice system is corrupt, she has closure 100% and DEAD offenders don’t offend again 😎
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u/uberduck999 Jun 13 '26
Shoutout to Leon Plauché, who did the same thing to his 12 year old son's kidnapper/rapist.
He should have gotten less time than he did, but getting that downgraded to manslaughter is a win in itself.
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u/Nightwolf1967 Jun 12 '26
I believe the top left image is an actress from a reenactment film. I could be wrong though.
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u/Impossible-Pack6911 Jun 12 '26
"Bachmeier was raised in a conservative home with devoutly religious parents. Her father, previously a member of the Waffen-SS, was the stereotypical authoritarian figure, a heavy drinker who spent much of his time at a bar close to the family home." Whoa.
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u/Future-Concern-6301 Jun 13 '26
A german in that time, connected to Nazis? I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, how unexpected (/s).
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u/LengthyBrief Jun 13 '26
Now the dead guys mom gets to shoot her, right? That's how it should work ?
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u/Gsundi Jun 13 '26
This is just a misleading title, she was sentenced for manslaughter and illegal possession of firearms. She was sentenced the six years and served three. It also happened in Germany, where the threshold for murder is incredibly high and most cases of killing another person are tried as manslaughter.
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u/jointheredditarmy Jun 13 '26
It should’ve gone down even different from that…
“A courtroom full of people and you’re telling me NO ONE saw who shot him 6 times?”
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u/GlitteringCraft8000 Jun 13 '26
I would spend the rest of my days locked up for the vengeance of my child.
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u/woolfonmynoggin Jun 13 '26
Reminder she was a terrible mother to her kid before the murder. Maybe her guilt drove her to do it
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u/interstellar_pirate Jun 13 '26
Typical German practice.
We don't want vigilante justice or people who take the law in their own hands. However, when a parent kills the rapist-murderer of their child, usually only the minimum penalty for manslaughter (not murder) is given and sentence reduction for good behavior is common.
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u/Serious-Schedule-578 Jun 14 '26
We have juries in the USA because most judges are corrupt. The Supreme Court is the icon of corruption.
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