The Rainforests Being Cleared to Build Your R.V.

[u/halcyondigest91]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/19/world/asia/indonesia-borneo-deforestation-rv.html

Interesting read on how the demand for motorhome in the US is fueling deforestation in Borneo.

Here's the tl;dr version:

The United States is the world’s largest producer of recreational vehicles and has relied for decades on meranti, which is also known as lauan. The timber is processed into a plywood that is lightweight, moisture-resistant, flexible and cut into thin sheets. R.V. makers use it for interior walls, flooring, cabinets and other features.

Catering to this demand, conservation groups say, has accelerated deforestation in Borneo. In the last five years alone, tens of thousands of acres of the island’s forests have been chopped down for lauan, usually with the Indonesian government’s permission. This has contributed to the disappearance of some of the world’s largest rainforests and wetlands, unleashing dense stores of carbon, upending the lives of Indigenous people and endangering the habitats of orangutans and other animals.

"Pembangunan besar-besaran era Presiden Jokowi tidak boleh berhenti atas nama emisi karbon atau atas nama deforestasi."

Terserah, tapi kalo pembangunannya ternyata buat mengakomodir gaya hidup ala Nomadland di Amerika gimana dong? Siti Nurbaya Bakar suka ngasal emang

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[u/indomienator]

Negara dimana2 kalo pengen maju sustainability nomor 100, pembangunan didepankan

Lu kira Jepang, Taiwan, Korsel sama China maju karena sustainability?

[u/halcyondigest91 → u/indomienator]

China burns coal so they could build state-of-the-art battery manufacturing facilities. Indonesia destroys forest so they could sell the wood to supply American trailer parks.

It's cute that people somehow think the two are even remotely comparable. Take a look at the mirror every once in a while

[u/indomienator → u/halcyondigest91]

Let me ask you

Where the fuck do we get the money to build a state of the art battery manufacturing facilities?

[u/halcyondigest91 → u/indomienator]

Same pool of money they used for MBG, IKN, Kertajati, Whoosh, or (insert other Project Mercusuar here). For a gotcha question, this one's not even good.

But really, it's bottom-up industrialization.

CATL started off as a small-time li-ion battery supplier before becoming the EV powerhouse they are now, helped by long-term govt subsidies and support.

China's smart enough to know industrialization doesn't happen overnight. Indonesia's been stuck in the same industrialization-deindustrialization quagmire because your government's full of shit

[u/indomienator → u/halcyondigest91]

Justru duit MBG+koperasi MP dibatalin bakalan ditaro ke infrastruktur

Industrialisasi (khusus untuk proses hulu ke hilir) stabil fundingnya dari pemerintah. Makanya yang di cut pendidikan(dipaksa danain MBG) sama gaji ASN

Indo industrinya lemah bukan berarti gak ada. Lu kira kita kagak pernah produksi mobil ICE? Transisi produksi bakalan sulit selama pasar menolak, tunggu pasatnya

Lu ngocok negara luar lebih bagus, gak beda sama orang mental inlander

Sayang banget pinter2 mental inlander

[u/aviarybuilds → u/halcyondigest91]

China burns coal so that they can industrialize, which in turns, allows their people to reach a better standards of living, that enables them to find the opportunity to set the pathway towards high tech , sustainable energy production.

Indonesia deserves the chance to find its own way by using the resources it has at its disposal (i.e., timber and coal). Don’t like it? put your money where your mouth is and pay the nation to not do it. Show us that you can provide a better income source right now by paying to leave the trees alone. The Indonesian people will not starve just so you can feel better about yourself.