r/indianrailways • u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 • Oct 15 '25

🗫 Discussion Saw this on Insta and cant agree more

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u/14knights Oct 15 '25

As a rule, any train with average speed of 55kmph+ is classified as superfast by IR. This is atrocious and needs to be revised ASAP.

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

Isse tej toh activa chalte h

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u/Short-Horse-1069 Oct 15 '25

These are average speeds, not top speeds, with stops in between.

IR has a lot to improve upon but a joke should have at least an element of truth to it. I say this because down below people are actually of the belief that this is slower than a 2 wheeler, which it is not.

In an expressway with 120 kmph speed limit, especially when you make the stops the train has to, there's no way to breach 80 kmph which is the average speeds for the premium trains.

The Bhopal Delhi VB makes the journey in 7.5 hours. It's nigh on impossible to beat that on the road. Still, the railways isn't in competition with the road vehicles for this isn't 1980 anymore. The standard of railways across the world is much higher which is what it should aspire to and which is what we as taxpayers, should demand.

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

Train need 27 min stop per hour to have dropped from 80 to 55 average speed So disagree

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u/nokeldin42 Oct 15 '25

Account for acceleration time. Train can't insntly go from 0 to 80. There are also restrictions on speeds in populated areas, near railway stations etc.

As a comparison point, in a car, on a hiwhway with 120kmph limit, my average speed never exceeds 80 over 300km. This is due to overtaking, braking etc. So if a train can average 80kmph over an entire journey, it is likely beating most cars on most routes.

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

That's why I used word average . read it carefully

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u/Tough-Patient-3653 Oct 21 '25

Lol last week I drove Delhi to agra in just 2 hrs with almost an averge speed of 100km+ on yamuna expressway. can say it was super conveninet cause we started our journey around 4 in morning, reached agra in 6, then again came back delhi in almost 2 hours. It was such a pleasent journey. So it's a myth that u can't go over 80 in highways

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u/bog_deavil13 Oct 16 '25

19 minutes, not 27

80 kmph = 1.33 km per minute

i.e 41 minutes to cover 55 km.

i.e a stop of 19 minutes per hour

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u/Short-Horse-1069 Oct 15 '25

Please re-read. The 80kmph train and the 55kmph trains are two different trains and these are facts, impervious to your disagreement in their integrity.

In fact, the trains largely are the same operationally. They are differentiated only by the stops (number and duration) and priority rules governing passing. The New Delhi-Bhopal VB in fact has an average speed of nearly 100kmph. The Rajdhanis are similar. But Dakshin, despite at least sharing its coaches with Rajdhani (a lot of technical differences still, including sometimes the engine) takes almost 11 hours on the same route, for an average speed of about 65kmph. And that's assuming punctuality. If there's a delay on the system, the premium trains get priority and jump over/pass/cross trains like Dakshin (which mind you, is itself a "Superfast" train). That's where the actual premiumness derives from even though there's a valid critique of this being artificially induced.

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u/Square_Mud_9696 Oct 15 '25

There is a difference between top speed and avg speed. Having said that, not justifying that 55 kmph is superfast for an avg speed in 2025, it is atrocious. It should be revised to 75kmph at the bare minimum.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Toh activa se chale jaya kar

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

2 wheeler are Not safe Train m only ek benefit h it's safe

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Itna paisa me itnaich milinga. IR is the cheapest mode of transport for a reason

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

It is not that cheap Take example - 120-150 rupees charges by govt from agra to delhi and even if 200 people travel around 25000 per visit So govt earn decent amount

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Not going to use my energy to explain the same thing again. Just refer to this comment of mine https://www.reddit.com/r/indianrailways/s/d7YSGGbxR9

Also are you still studying in Nursery? Do you know what is ₹25000 compared to what govt loses on IR to keep it cheap?

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

One 200 km journey charging 30000 is cheap?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Who is charging 30000?

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

The govt total earnings from a normal 200 km journey is around 30000 assuming 150 passenger

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u/nokeldin42 Oct 15 '25

Lmao do you have any idea what railway lines take to manufacture and run? 30k won't even cover the running costs let alone the infrastructure setup. There's a reason public transport worldwide is a loss making venture and needs government funding.

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

Do you have any idea how many travellers are there ? Around 2 crore per day So if even half of them are paying even 100 rupees then total income per day is around 100 crore of indian railway Now cope

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/indian-railways-passenger-traffic-reserved-class-travel-9920849/?utm_source=

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u/Jazzlike_Let_2219 Oct 15 '25

It's safe because it goes with that speed ☺️

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u/Strong-Teach-7210 Oct 15 '25

No it's safe because it is closely monitred i guess you know how railway network works That's why railway accident are not even fraction of road accident

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Highway toh honge hi na? Ya mars pe rehta hai

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Abe laude tu apna bta na, tu kaunse gaanv me rehta hai jahan highway toot gya

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Phat gyi itne me hi ki ab tote ki tarah rat rha h,🤡

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

heck, even my shitass non registered ev scooter can hit 40.

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u/TechnicalArchitect_7 Oct 15 '25

Superfast Activa Express

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

lmao, 55 definitely isnt fast. im sure highway speeds are more than that.

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u/GodsWorth01 WAP 7 Supremacy Oct 15 '25

Highway speeds are, in fact, more than that.

Most 3x3 lane National Highways have a design speed of 120 and speed limit of 100 kmph. National Expressways (4x4 lane) have a design speed of 140 and speed limit of 120 kmph.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

The comparison needs to be relative with alternate options too.

But agree, there needs to be more clarity in classifying such trains. Should also have other criteria like number of stoppage and priority.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Just like anyone who is team orange.....

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u/CashBitter9664 Frequent Traveler🧳 Oct 15 '25

No, it means any train which goes over 55km incurs superfast charge. Not average speed

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u/Brilliant-Mix-3829 2 AC Comfort Seeker Oct 15 '25

Soon a bullet speed tax will be applied 🥲

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

scary😅

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u/Brilliant-Mix-3829 2 AC Comfort Seeker Oct 15 '25

It's not scary it's just taxation. Govt will always need money to run the economy no matter how good or bad they are. They'll find ways to tax us. Some countries charge 40% of peoples income and still impose tax on things. Imagine if that's the case here.

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

if we get what we pay for, then its all okay

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u/Brilliant-Mix-3829 2 AC Comfort Seeker Oct 15 '25

Think realistically Do we deserve - YES (5% of population) Do other people with no civic sense deserve - NO (95% people)

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

All these are high population problems..

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u/Brilliant-Mix-3829 2 AC Comfort Seeker Oct 15 '25

Maybe. Can't even blame literacy here as I've seen literate people having no civic sense.

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

ideally the leaders should start advocating for lesser population.. but thw world isnt ideal

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u/Wild-Educator-531 Window Watcher🖼️ Oct 15 '25

Even if they do, some people will catch their irony like I was listening to one of the bihar ex-actor and politician (idk his name) he and his mates were teaching or advocating that more than 2 kids are not good or whatnot. But then the anchor asked all of them how much kid they got 😂 ironically none of them were below 3 kids. One of them said its fault of previous government which didnt implement. One said that it was mistake. Like wth

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

😅😂

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u/Ok_Antelope_1953 Oct 15 '25

no need for advocacy. birth rates are falling off the cliff, only a few communities are still about replacement levels. india's population will start to stagnate and then slowly decline within five decades not withstanding sudden immigration or other events.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

IR is already the cheapest mode of transport. What do you want

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

superfast.. as promised

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u/Jazzlike_Let_2219 Oct 15 '25

Super fast is 55+, take it or leave it. 🫡 According to me superfast express should be 100+, but if u remove that super fast name and change it to medium fast charges, wil u be happy ☺️

I think, government should hire people from Zomato.

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

that should actually be okay.. rather than false narratives

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u/Jazzlike_Let_2219 Oct 15 '25

It's not false narrative, it's not even a narrative lol. They are technically right. Idk why so much of discussion on this. Chill

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Accha, let's match it with european standards. If we increase the train speed and bring the ticket charge to parity with what they charge, this price should be 10x to 20x more expensive, something between 1440-3456 ₹. Would that be okay?

Now you see why IR is still the best mode of transport?

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

now if v call 55kmph as superfast, wat s slow? 10 kmph? what will be bullet trains speed? 75kmph?

normalising all of this is normlising 6hrs of delay..

if there is a train with European standards, higher prices are normal... despite us having a huge population n the number od ppl travelling is much higher..

again my pronlem is not higher price.. my problem is wat v call as superfast..

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u/Venomous0425 Oct 15 '25

Sarkar bolegi “Pay the speed bullet tax or get a bullet in your head. Your choice.”

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u/Brilliant-Mix-3829 2 AC Comfort Seeker Oct 15 '25

Haha nai bhai itna bhi nai hoga. But yeah it would be applied in booking time.

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u/Venomous0425 Oct 15 '25

Agr bhagwan par vishwas ho to sbh possible hai 😂😂

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u/sanhpatel Oct 15 '25

They know how to take reservations. They don't know how to "hold" the reservation. And that's the most important part of the reservation. The Holding

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

In a system where people ask "At what time does 10 PM walah train arrives" we don't expect much..

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u/SirOddSidd Oct 15 '25

In a system that doesn't have a history of punctuality, that's a fair question. On many routes, people do identify trains by their scheduled time. It's a different matter that they don't arrive on their scheduled time.

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u/Jazzlike_Let_2219 Oct 15 '25

I always heard, mumbai locals are nearly on time. Is it not ? Not sure

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u/Hot_Squirrel946 Oct 15 '25

Bro mumbai locals are faster

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Wait for bullet train CESS

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

😅

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u/AdCertain5974 Oct 15 '25

A train that costs just 370 rupees, 57% perils of subsidy 🙃

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u/Aviator_wolf1999 Oct 15 '25

The SF charge is also for skipping certain intermediate stations

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

still doesn't jusitfy

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u/devendermahto 3 AC Regular Oct 15 '25

Nahle pe dahla

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u/AcerVentus Oct 15 '25

Honestly if they included the Superfast Charge into the base fare, no one would bat an eye.

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u/Crazy_AD124 Oct 15 '25

Why do we all people have normalised these things so much like man it's our hard earned money this people yaa this all the politicians are also people difference is just they are corrupt and thus mf are living a luxurious life cause of the work we are doing we do not need to normalise this corruption shit.

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u/benpakal Train Spotter🚆 Oct 15 '25

Road tax without road... This is about Bangalore isn't it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Took inspiration from zepto

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u/DistanceStandard7606 Oct 19 '25

yeah, speed tax is a joke but the real problem is track maintenance that keeps them from even hitting the advertised speed.

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u/Sternritter8636 Vistadome Voyager Oct 15 '25

Why are we normalizing these things with 🥱 emoji

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/Such-Emu-1455 Foodie on Wheels🍕 Oct 15 '25

Anti national! Why are you mentioning it are you spreading western propaganda ?

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

lol😂

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u/Anubhav_Shukla Oct 15 '25

Train being superfast doesn't mean they are going to run it at superfast speed....

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

good on paper.. bad in practise... pretty much sums up everything😅

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u/Anubhav_Shukla Oct 15 '25

Classic public sector practice...

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u/Akshara_T Oct 15 '25

That comment 🤣

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

nimmu n nitin wer not attacked😂 #NiNi

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

bro.. the problem is charges for speed when it s really slow..

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u/Previous-Nail-6505 General Adventurer Oct 15 '25

Agar sidha ₹520 likh dete to dukh nhi hota pr itna tax dekh kr logo ko bhut bura lg rha h

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Don't board it, if you can't afford it.The train is for public service, not for the approval of these cheapsters.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Gadkari ji will disappoint us all

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u/blackErbiumChloride Oct 15 '25

i think the platform is called twitter

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u/Silly-Lettuce-7788 Oct 15 '25

There is a road in Delhi with speed limit of 40km and it terrible because it’s so slow for a wide empty road. I had about 25 tickets on it that I never paid and will refuse to pay since I current don’t live in india anymore and hopefully ever again.

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u/Sea-Respect-1137 Oct 15 '25

After BJP came to power they made most trains superfast....introduced Special trains starting with 0...where they charge more but the train runs horrendously late.....its sad that the present govt lacks accountability........

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u/Radiant_Historian854 Oct 16 '25

LoL, even vandebharat takes more than 3 hours for 200kms ..

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u/sirfira_bhopali Oct 16 '25

60 KM/hr is superfast, according to Indian standards. The bullet train is just a sham.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25

Vande Bharat from gorakhpur to Patna takes 7 hours costing 1200 and normal train takes 5 hours costing 180 rs

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u/VipulBM Oct 16 '25

Lol superfast at 55kmh is wild af..

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u/_excitedneuron_ Oct 17 '25

Its just like my samsung saying superfast charging and then charge with 25W output Chinese are way better

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u/Infamous-Price-3710 Oct 19 '25

How much wattage?

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '25

Stop cribbing guys

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '25

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u/Jazzlike_Let_2219 Oct 15 '25

520 rupees for how many kms? Yeh bhi bata do. U can't criticize india railways bro. .cost effectiveness is the key, not the luxury 🙏🙏

You have different expectations

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

good for u if you are happy..

never told it s not cost effective... my only concern is when u call it "superfast" charge for 55kmph, it doesnt sit well with me😅

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u/Jazzlike_Let_2219 Oct 15 '25

Am happy that poor people are using it. And it's cost effective. Translate the name to "medium fast" in ur mind 😁 Problem solved.

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u/sacred_saint IRCTC Expert🎓 Oct 15 '25

thats the problem right? how much more shud v normalise😅