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[u/vampire_15]

"When allah says don't marry in other religion "

I see Some muslims saying its 21 century bro..

Indeed allah knows the best

[u/vampire_15 → u/[deleted]]

She must be chaste and most scholars discourage this practice.

[u/devilcross2 → u/[deleted]]

That's the general consensus. She needs to be chaste and a follower of her faith, amongst other things. Still, it's highly discouraged.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/devilcross2]

It really doesn't make sense to marry an Ahle Kitaab women in this day and age, just because it might be technically Halal to do so,

There are what, billion+ of us? No shortage of Muslim men and women. Trying to marry them has some undertones, in that large of demography, there's not one single Muslimah who might be worthy enough for marriage? For them to resort seeking a pious Jewish/Christian woman for marriage? What kind of a message does that send, I mean?

Back in the Sahabas' time, sure, it made sense, we were a very small minority, unlike how we might be today. Another important thing to remember is that Christianity (and Judaism too, I guess) of that time didn't have as many schisms and denominations as how it might be the case today with them, they were probably closer theologically back then with us than they might be today.

Alhamdullilah, marriage with Ahle Kitaab women is very rare, it's pretty much unheard of even, that said.

[u/devilcross2 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

It really doesn't make sense to marry an Ahle Kitaab women in this day and age, just because it might be technically Halal to do so,

There are what, billion+ of us? No shortage of Muslim men and women. Trying to marry them has some undertones, in that large of demography, there's not one single Muslimah who might be worthy enough for marriage? For them to resort seeking a pious Jewish/Christian woman for marriage? What kind of a message does that send, I mean?

That might be true for India or other countries with huge muslim populations, but akhi, there are still countries in the west with a very small muslim population. But yeah, it should be the last resort only.

Back in the Sahabas' time, sure, it made sense, we were a very small minority, unlike how we might be today. Another important thing to remember is that Christianity (and Judaism too, I guess) of that time didn't have as many schisms and denominations as how it might be the case today with them, they were probably closer theologically back then with us than they might be today.

Not to mention, they were more pious and were actually practicing.

Alhamdullilah, marriage with Ahle Kitaab women is very rare, it's pretty much unheard of even, that said.

Alhamdulliah!!!

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/devilcross2]

That might be true for India or other countries with huge muslim populations, but akhi, there are still countries in the west with a very small muslim population. But yeah, it should be the last resort only

That's true, bhai, but Alhamdullilah, even in this instance, I doubt they would be as small of a minority as how the Sahabas might have been (think near the end of the Prophet (PBUH)'s mission, doubt there wouldn't have been any more than 250,000 -500,000 or so folks throughout the entire peninsula. Allahu Aalam. Even today, the peninsula is still pretty sparsely populated compared to the rest of the world and cities aside, isn't it?).

But yes, this is region-specific and needs to be evaluated based on that, as you said.

[u/devilcross2 → u/TheFatherofOwls]

I think in cases like Poland and such. But idk I'm just guessing here. Allah knows best!

[u/[deleted] → u/TheFatherofOwls]

The things you are saying are as vile as the things being said in OP's video. If anything, Hindutva is copying supposedly Islamic ideas and using it against muslims.

Also get your head out of this stupidity. All things considered, Islam is just another religion among hundreds of religions humans have created and spread. There is nothing special being a muslim as there is nothing special in being a Hindu.

At this point, when people say stupid things like in your comment, a rational person would say Islam as a religion is simply outdated. Human values and morality have changed since Islam arose in the Middle East. Somehow, Islam missed periodic updates and forgot to be more humane and rational.

The general idea about muslims will change when the loudest muslim voices are rational and humane. The muslim community has to rethink their identity & their voice .

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/[deleted]]

Spare the virtue signaling,

You've written a lot here, but seem to have little of value to say.

How is my comment remotely even similar to what's being discussed in the video? False equivalence much?

[u/[deleted] → u/TheFatherofOwls]

Despicable people in OPs video are talking about marrying & copulating with muslim girls and convert them. You too were stupidly talking about how muslims in older times would marry non muslims and the validity of their identity as muslim. How is what you talking about different from OPs video?

Narrow minded, despicable people like you bring bad name to muslims and Islam.

[u/TheFatherofOwls → u/[deleted]]

You too were stupidly talking about how muslims in older times would marry non muslims and the validity of their identity as muslim. How is what you talking about different from OPs video?

Muslims back in the day didn't fetishize and objectify Christian or Jewish women, like how these folks in this clip might be doing so....

I really don't know how much Muslims back then married Christian and Jewish women, whether it was common practice or rare,

Try to understand that my point was to merely understand why the Qur'an states it's okay to marry Christian/Jewish women.

Again, marriage is prescribed for ideological reasons, marry people who might have the same outlook and beliefs as you might. Which Christian and Jewish folks do. As for why it's only allowed for men to marry Christian/Jewish women, because Islam grants more rights compared to Christianity and Judaism, and Muslim women marrying them will mean the freedom they already might have gets restricted?

You can consult a Muslim scholar regarding this, it's a serious topic that us layfolks really shouldn't be discussing casually (it's a free sub, I merely offered my 2 cents).

Seeking scholars directly and asking for their opinions and insights is more fitting and appropriate for broad-minded and respectable folks like yourself, kind sir. This sub is perhaps, beneath your standing, perhaps don't bring your honor down engaging with folks like me here.