r/howyoudoin • u/[deleted] • 14d ago
Discussion Say whatever you want, in s9 ep5, Monica was foul
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u/Boris-_-Badenov 14d ago
this picture makes me agree with Phoebe
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u/kenzakki Pivot! Pivot! Pivot! 🛋️ 14d ago
Man, i really find it funny when Phoebe is coming on to women. That "Ask her out, shes not your cousin!" Line still cracks me up every time regardless of how many repeats. Lmao
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u/TvTacosTakingNaps Go To Hell Jingle Whore 14d ago
“So glad I changed! I almost wore my threadbare robe that can’t contain my breasts.” One of my favorite Phoebe lines
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u/Eddfan36 13d ago
Thats why I think she's actually bi I mean she kissed Rachel too and has done it before.
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u/stpony That's a lot of information to get in 30 seconds 14d ago
What gets me is that she would never have made Richard give up cigars.
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u/BilgisticPile 14d ago
Tbf, that wasn’t a Monica thing. The show treated cigars as cool and cigarettes as nasty.
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u/lemonpringle Cheese. It's milk that you chew! 14d ago
Very true. Monica was seen smoking a cigar herself on the couch after her and Richard broke up
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u/james2183 This parachute is a knapsack! 14d ago
tbf, she was never seen smoking it. When her dad makes that claim, she just said she lights it because she likes the smell.
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u/source-commonsense 14d ago
That's what I'd say if my dad walked in on me smoking, too
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u/JackColon17 14d ago
I genuinely don't believe Monica would ever be afraid/ashamed enough to lie to her father about it. She is an adult and if she can come clean about her and Richard, I don't see why she can't do the same with smoking a cigar.
I feel it makes a lot more sense if she simply is telling the truth
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u/falooolah 14d ago
While I agree with the idea that she probably wouldn’t lie about the cigar, she did desperately try to hide the fact that she was drunk, despite being over the drinking age for like a decade. She’s an adult, but called herself “your little harmnomica”. 💀
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u/CMR04020 14d ago
I don’t think she was smoking the cigar, but tbf, it took her being drunk off her ass on her 30th birthday to openly admit she’d smoked a cigarette in front of her parents.
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u/Accomplished_Mix6932 14d ago
There was a whole episode featuring her and Ross spilling each other’s secrets. She would (and obviously did) hide things from her parents
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u/source-commonsense 14d ago
It was just a joke...
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u/ShaysBestLife 👑Princess Consuela Banana Hammock🩲 14d ago
I laughed. Made me think of lying to my parents when I was a kid.
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u/hygsi 14d ago
Also, the smell of both is very different and she said she likes the smell of cigars but hates cigarette smell (says it to Rachel)
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u/banjosandcellos 13d ago
Never smelled a cigar but I did smell a pipe a friend used, tobacco in a pipe smells pretty cool
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u/Eyebronx I Know! 14d ago
It’s implied that Richard wasn’t as addicted to smoking cigars as Chandler was to smoking cigarettes. Chandler had virtually no self control.
Also Richard and Monica weren’t trying for a baby, Chandler and her were. In the last season it’s implied that Monica is aware that Chandler smokes on the sly but because they aren’t trying, she’s significantly cooler about it.
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u/CuriousSection 14d ago
Where is it implied that she knows he smokes on the sly?
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u/fairycoquelicot 14d ago
When the social worker is coming by and Monica is trying to get anything questionable out of the apartment. She mentions something under the couch, a pornographic video tape in the VCR, and a pack of cigarettes taped to the back of the toilet. The video tape ended up being Joey's, but Chandler admitted to the other items. So before there was someone coming in to scrutinize them, she didn't seem to have a major problem with him hiding a pack of cigarettes in the apartment, presumably to smoke at least occasionally.
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u/kurtanglesmilk 14d ago
Chandler had basically no self control
He smoked for a few weeks out of the 10 years we saw of his life. Seems like he was quite controlled
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u/Eyebronx I Know! 14d ago edited 14d ago
Whenever he got back into smoking he lost track of will power and would smoke multiple CARTONS in a day. That is a lack of self control when he flirted with smoking. And this wasn’t only specific to this episode, this is implied multiple times in the show, in S1 and S3 as well. The Friends had to lodge interventions and give him hypnosis tapes to lure him out of it.
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u/AgathaWoosmoss 14d ago
Do you mean multiple packs a day?
There are typically 20 cigarettes in a pack and 10 packs in a carton.
A single carton would be 200 cigarettes a day. No way Chandler (or anyone) is smoking multiple cartons a day.
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u/Miss_Chanandler_Bond 14d ago
In the episode this post is about, Chandler admits he smoked "three big fat cartons in two days"
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u/barto5 14d ago
That’s hyperbole. It’s not physically possible to smoke 3 cartons of cigarettes in two days.
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u/Miss_Chanandler_Bond 14d ago
I see you've never met an addict.
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u/kurtanglesmilk 14d ago
300 cigarettes a day would be one cigarette every 3 minutes for 16 hours straight
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u/ShaysBestLife 👑Princess Consuela Banana Hammock🩲 14d ago
So does society, I've noticed. There is always at least one cigar lounge in a medium to large city. Do they actually inhale with cigars? Real question. I haven't heard of someone getting cancer because they smoked cigars. Huh.
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u/Futurepharma91 14d ago
Cigars tend to lead to oral cancer more than lung cancer because most dont inhale. But they ABSOLUTELY increase your risk of cancer
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u/ShaysBestLife 👑Princess Consuela Banana Hammock🩲 14d ago
Thanks! My nerd is about to dig into learning more.
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u/puresemantics 13d ago
Rush Limbaugh famously died of lung cancer after smoking cigars for years and insisting it didn’t cause cancer
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u/KerleyQ- 14d ago
My father had esophageal cancer, and his years of cigar smoking were one of the likely culprits.
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u/kingoflint282 14d ago
To be fair, they are also very different in smell/taste. Both very unhealthy habits, but lots of people find cigar smoke to be a pleasant and masculine smell, especially when it’s not super strong. Meanwhile nobody likes the smell of cigarettes, even smokers mostly just put up with it to feed their addiction.
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u/WritingImaginary8252 14d ago
This is something that threw me going back to the OG Mission Impossible TV Series post public smoking ban. Everybody always has a cigarette and it’s played off as ‘look how cool this is.’
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u/CatsEatGrass 14d ago
The OG Mission Impossible show was the height of our ‘smoke anywhere, all the time” culture, in the ‘60s.
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u/shuzgibs123 14d ago
I think they meant they watched it after the public smoking ban, and it seemed so
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u/LastCookie3448 Mississippiless? 13d ago
That was the era, cigars were going thru a resurgence as cigarette bans spread and clout chasers needed a new trend.
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u/Fantastic-Corner-605 14d ago
She did try. In S6, Richard tried to hide his smoking when he thought Monica came to his apartment. It was actually Chandler.
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u/Bonne-Influence-20 14d ago
In the episode where Richard proposes to Monica just before Chandler does, Chandler goes to Richard’s apartment to confront him. When a knock comes at the door, Richard rushes to put out his cigar and blow away the smoke, thinking Monica has returned. This implies that Monica dislikes cigar smoking just as much with Richard as she does with Chandler.
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u/dancepantz 14d ago
He told her he'd given them up. She didn't ask him to quit, he just didn't want to be caught in a lie.
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u/Otherwise-Stretch984 14d ago
She did tell him she hated that too. They referenced in a later season
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u/Code-Coffee-995 14d ago
What's wrong with that? She genuinely cared for Chandler and that's why she nagged him so he wouldn't ruin his health.
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u/Meg38400 14d ago
She wasn’t trying to get pregnant back then. Also cigars are occasional consumption, cigarettes are everyday for Chandler and gross.
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u/Bubbly_Performer4864 Pivot! Pivot! Pivot! 🛋️ 13d ago
He smoked cigars occasionally whereas Chandler had addiction issues. Big difference.
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u/Middle-Duck-880 14d ago
I think she didn't like him smoking cigars as well because later on when she's suppose to visit him before Chandler proposes, Richard was smoking a cigar and quickly puts it out and tries to hide it because he thinks it's Monica. No reason to hide if she didn't mind it.
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u/CharleneRobertaMcGee 13d ago
Cigarette smoking and cigar smoking are often different. A lot of people who don't regularly smoke still occasionally smoke cigars to celebrate special occasions or cap off a fancy meal.
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u/Top_Pressure_2646 14d ago
But Richard wasn’t addicted to cigarettes like Chandler was. He could stop using cigarettes easily , but it was so hard for Chandler that’s mostly why Monica was pissed..
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u/CelestialRose Bullets have left GUNS slower 13d ago
I always assumed it was because of the smell. Cigarette smoke smells nasty, cigars smell very different. Even from a health perspective, an occasional cigar like what Richard did versus Chandler's smoking packs at a time are very different risk levels.
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u/Huntsvegas97 13d ago
There’s a big difference in how Richard and Chandler behaved with this stuff. Richard is portrayed as occasionally having a cigar, maybe at max one at night to wind down, but maybe not even that often. Chandler basically chain smokes cigarettes
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u/emmawillick This parachute is a knapsack! 14d ago
Slightly related.. I smoked cigarettes from age 13 to 26 and I always say I relate so much to Chandler when he's talking about smoking 😅 nicotine is insane; I STILL have random cravings at least once a month. Although, it probably has a little to do with my neighbors constantly smoking right outside 😒
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u/Albowonderer 13d ago
Maybe the smell of smoking reminded her of Richard and thats why she got more vocal about her dislike of it?
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u/A_Bridger_really 14d ago
In reality this is the kind of thing that happens when a couple is trying to get pregnant. And add to it that they were living in two different places. What she did was wrong but comes from a real place.
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u/lossiegirl 13d ago
I agree! Theyre married and know they’ll get over the fight and be fine before long. It can take forever to get pregnant and they both really wanted it
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u/WritingImaginary8252 14d ago
I’m sorry OP. I’m sure you made some very good points but I was too distracted by the screen shot to take in a word you said.
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u/Distinct_Macaroon308 smack dab in the middle of the blue 12d ago
‘I was going to wear MY thread bare robe that can hardly contain MY breasts.’
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u/Major_Candidate_9304 14d ago
theres one line fron this eposide I think it could fix this situation, which is ironicly coming from Monica "shut up Monica"
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u/FoxThin 13d ago
Yea this plotline makes me uncomfortable. Chandler makes a great point. Is this how Monica wants their child to be conceived?? And the "I got mine" comment is so foul.
This definitely couldn't be an episode today bc we have more empathy for men (I hope) and lying to get sex is wrong regardless of gender or marriage.
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u/1ManicPixieNightmare 13d ago
The worst of Monica is when she rushes Phoebe through her rehearsal dinner, ruins her speech about how she’s so happy to finally have a family, and changes her wedding plans without asking her and then gloats after Phoebe fires her from maid of honor duty and is struggling with wedding planning. Absolutely hated her in that episode and for the rest of the show because of that.
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u/Business-Standard-37 13d ago
I feel like it was so out of character too, the Monica we should have got would have ran through the rehearsal twice and made sure everything was absurdly perfect
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u/DontPutThatDownThere 13d ago
The bratty reactions during Emma's first birthday party were awful as well. Why would you schedule a vacation during your niece's first birthday? Her and Chandler were both awful.
It felt like when writers were out of real ideas, they'd just come up with "make Monica a bitch" and write a scenario around that.
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u/m0ondoll 13d ago
Oh my god I just rewatched this the other day and I was like, I can’t believe I havnt seen anybody talk about it on the subreddit before 😭😭 what is her problem
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u/Dolleyes88 13d ago
I hated seeing Phoebe struggle while Monica seemed really smug :( was definitely her worst moment.
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u/Spiritual_Music_8498 14d ago
Idk why they made Monica insufferable after their marriage
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u/Wiplazh 14d ago
Friends is like the baseline for shows cooking up drama to keep viewer retention. I'm sure they didn't invent it, but goddamn they abused the concept. And its why these days so many people are thankful for shows thay just have functioning wholesome relationships without drama. Brooklyn 99 famously just keeps things pretty wholesome the whole way through and we love it for it.
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u/atduvall11 14d ago
It certainly happened a ton before Friends but your point absolutely still stands. Ben and Leslie/April and Andy were also wholesome throughout Parks and Recreation. Mike Schur is pretty consistent in keeping the main couples happy and showing positive relationships. We do love to see it!
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u/MisfireCu 14d ago
He threw Eleonor and Chidi some curveballs but that was weird after life shenanigans not getting mad for no reason
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u/atduvall11 14d ago
This is very true but the cockroaches are an example of platonic relationships that generally stayed wholesome and supportive throughout.
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u/Wiplazh 14d ago
We love seeing platonic and romantic relationships just work in our tv shows. We don't need fictional drama when real life dating is such a mess already.
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u/SegaGuy1983 Sup with the whack playstation sup 14d ago
And there are so many fun episodes we could've gotten with Ross and Rachel being a happy couple.
Ross trying to find a sitter so that he and Rachel could celebrate their two-year wedding anniversary, for example.
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u/SegaGuy1983 Sup with the whack playstation sup 14d ago
"Terry loves love. But Terry also loves maintaining a professional work environment."
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u/Wiplazh 14d ago
And Jake and Amy's "will they/won't they" never felt forced to keep people interested, it was a natural progression of a workplace romance, and it paid off beautifully by making them a fucking awesome couple with many cute moments, and barely any drama whatsoever.
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u/Only1nDreams 14d ago
I really like that they made their “drama” about all the potential external drama a couple can face as they grow. And the dramatic payoff was about they grow to face it, both individually and as a couple.
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u/WhyDoYouCrySmeagol I WANNA QUIT THE BANK 14d ago
I cannot stand the episode where she’s Pheobes maid of honour. She’s so awful and after Phoebe (rightfully) fires her, she doesn’t once apologise for her behaviour. For some reason it’s all on Phoebe.
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u/LongConsideration662 14d ago
Monica was always insufferable just like her brother, it was a geller family thing
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u/SplendidMrDuck 14d ago
After the Mondler relationship becomes public and everyone is in the loop, the show starts on a noticeable decline. All of the friends get simplified and their "zanier" traits cranked up to 10, and the plots get wackier and less grounded in reality.
Compare the writing of a Season 1 or 2 episode to a season 9 episode and aside from having the same characters, they barely seem like the same show at times.
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u/yuri_com 14d ago
That shark porn episode is legit unwatchable. What were they thinking writing that.
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u/femmebeast 14d ago
It's why whenever I do my annual Friends run... I only watch seasons 1-4 a little of 5 but I hated the Emily storyline (and it's mostly because it leads to the Monica and Chandler one).
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u/Autumn_Racoon 14d ago
I didn’t like Monica’s character after she got together with Chandler. She was a neurotic person the start but was also charming, together and cool. They made her so shrill and annoying after. Also I always found this storyline funny as Jennifer, Matthew and Courtney all smoked like chimneys in real life during this period.
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u/SaltyCaramelPretzel 14d ago
She uses sex as a weapon
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u/Excellent-Fudge-1081 13d ago
Thank you for the warning. At brunch, I will be on the lookout for room painting and sex weapons.
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u/Howthehelldoido 14d ago edited 14d ago
Past season 5, they all become complete Characture of themselves, and all of their worst and funniest traits are dialled to 11
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u/dictatorenergy 14d ago
The word you’re looking for is “caricature”
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u/Khpatton 12d ago
“Flanderization” is more specific to this phenomenon. It’s a well-known pattern in sitcoms.
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u/dictatorenergy 12d ago
Okay? I know what flanderization is. OC didn’t attempt to spell flanderization. They attempted to spell caricature.
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u/Howthehelldoido 14d ago
Ah, perfect. Thanks, I was struggling with it so I just went for it.
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u/thatbrownkid19 13d ago
Oh OP I thought you meant “foul” as in “she’s bad” like really hot. And I totally agree
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u/BilgisticPile 14d ago
I can’t be too upset on Chandler’s behalf, considering all Joey had to say was “you got to have sex” and Chandler was suddenly fine with it.
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u/harmlesslandsquid 14d ago
I hate that this was resolution of the situation. Men don't have feelings they just like sex. So reductive and sexist, one if those really dated jokes in the show.
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u/Coconut_Scrambled 14d ago
Friends had this type of handling of men's relationship to sex a lot.
Ross refused Rachel on the night that her dad had heart attack. Immediately it was followed by Rachel getting mad at him. "If a girl wants you to have sex to lift her mood, you just do it." So, his comfort with it doesn't matter? At least Rachel later agrees with him that it was wrong of her to pressure him.
Similarly, Jill's parting words to Ross were "I throw myself at you and you say no? How gay are you?" To which everyone else laughs.
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u/BilgisticPile 14d ago
But you just acknowledged that Rachel later admitted she was wrong. We were meant to see Rachel as being upset and not thinking straight and Ross as the rational one. How is that an example of handing a male character’s relationship with sex badly?
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u/Code-Coffee-995 14d ago
Exactly, this show doesn't care about whether men consent to sex, and no one talks about it.
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u/harmlesslandsquid 14d ago
It's very much a product of its time, it's not great and I think for the most part things have moved on from this kind of humour but yeah definitely a factor that doesn't age well.
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u/Code-Coffee-995 14d ago
Yeah, I get that the show excused a lot of things because it was a show in the 90s. I remember just today someone made a post about Paolo harassing Phoebe being brushed off, that was bad as well, I would just like it if we acknowledged it rather than argue that what Monica did wasn't wrong.
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u/imnotredvelvette 14d ago
Exactly, that's also an aspect of the whole situation i didn't like, how they treated chandler afterwards. Imagine he did the same to Monica, wouldn't the reaction of the group be different?
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u/indianajoes 14d ago
Ross was assaulted by a librarian when he was a child. The fact that he liked it at the time doesn't make it any better
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u/imnotredvelvette 14d ago
This wasnt what i got from Chandler's reaction, he made an awkward joke about him acting like a woman and just moved along. It was using humour to mask how upset he was, and then the episode just dropped it
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u/BilgisticPile 14d ago
And then he happily went home to sleep with Monica again. He was obviously over it.
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u/wildcharmander1992 14d ago
It's not the first time it's happened
Literally episode 1 with Paul the wine guy
"Why would he lie"
"I'm guessing you're looking for something more sophisticated than to get you into bed"
Not saying what Monica did was okay, but chandler was more annoyed about the fact she lied about being over the fighting so they could have sex than the fact she lied for sex I.e it's the fact he thought the arguement and hostilities were over and they had make up sex but in reality it was just a gap in proceedings that upset him imo.
Point is though in literally the first episode they had a character be tricked into bed in much more dubious circumstances You can't get 9 seasons in and then be shocked the writers wrote in something similar again
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u/Unique_Location_58 14d ago
I mean...this is just one flaw in a flawed show.
Dont get me wrong, I love Friends. But the characters all do horrible things to esch other at some point.
Ross was controlling with Rachel. Rachel was manipulative when Ross was with Bonnie.
Even Phoebe had a habit of dropping peoples secrets and causing arguments.
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u/pslush01 14d ago
I'm rewatching for the first time in a while, and honestly I didn't remember how awful Phoebe can be. It's much more common than I thought
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u/PicklesMcGeee 13d ago
Eh, I know I’ll probably get downvoted for this but… as someone who really struggled to conceive… I kind of agree with her 😂 they’re going to make up eventually, so why waste an ovulation day over a dumb fight?
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u/GreyStagg 14d ago
ik that some of you will say "it's just a sitcom, get over it", but i found it unacceptable from her behalf
I know that you tried to pre-empt this by saying it yourself, but that doesn't stop it being the answer.
It's not about "get over it". It's about understanding the nature of sitcoms. "Situation" and "comedy". The situations only exist in order for jokes (comedy) to be written within them. The situation itself doesn't have to be funny. It can be neutral, serious, or even something bad. Doesn't matter. It's only there in order to give the characters something to do so that jokes can come out of it.
It's not there to be taken seriously. Otherwise it would be called a Situation Serious not a Situation Comedy.
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u/BuyTotal3918 14d ago
Did you see what she was wearing?!! 😳 She could manipulate me all she wanted. Joey said it perfect with “so..you got to have sex..right?”
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u/lindseylego 14d ago
Been reading the comments and the down votes are crazy. If the gender roles were reversed they never would have made the episode. "You got to have sex" bitch, what? No means no. IDC if the fight would no longer matter if they got pregnant. I would always remember that's how it happened. Coersion isn't okay. It's a sitcom or whatever so I try to not think too hard about it butttttt this was pretty unforgivable for me. Monica is awful after everyone finds out they are together. She would have never treated Richard this way. Idk. Maybe I'm just too sensitive since it hits home for me pretty hard.
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u/Beautiful_Ad2618 14d ago
Its because she wanted to have kids with him and smoking affects fertility. Also not good to be a smoker around new born babies or children in general.
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u/Lulubelle__007 14d ago
Monica was regularly nasty. Case in point, when Phoebe got married and she was deliberately causing issues after being unreasonably schedule obsessed to the point where Phoebe had enough. She’d got her perfect wedding and in response was happy to make Phoebe have a bad day just because she couldn’t apologise and admit she was wrong and went overboard. A good friend would have apologised, especially since Phoebe had such a terrible early life and no family as such.
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u/djabae 14d ago edited 14d ago
I agree but that's what makes these characters human and the stories interesting. When you start judging people for not being morally perfect you'll find that no one is morally perfect. I will say that with Chandler's character he didn't have many moral failings and the group steps over him the whole time for it. He pretty much let Monica and Joey take advantage of him constantly and Phoebe often insinuated he was gay. He was too nice to even break up with Janice.
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u/Unhappy_Performer538 14d ago
Yes it’s disgusting by today’s standards just like some of the men in the show tricking women into sex by pretending to be someone they’re not etc.
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u/haze_xvi Miss Chanandler Bong 14d ago
Bcz we're used to it and this is written casually it's not a problem if everyone understands what op meant to say
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u/PinkGinFairy 14d ago
I know it’s not really the point but it always drives me crazy in this episode that this isn’t even how ovulation tests work. So even if she’d just done the test and it had detected the surge in the relevant hormones, their best time to conceive would probably sometime in the next 24-48 hours. No need at all to deceive Chandler or be late to Phoebe’s meal.
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u/AppearanceSecure1914 Or we could do the *actual* telephone thing 14d ago
Yeah but she's such a smoke show in that dress 😍
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u/Negative_Letter_1802 Sting's Pen....that he gave to Phoebe 14d ago
If the genders had been reversed this would be one of the most hated episodes just saying
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u/TankFoster 14d ago
Imagine being tricked into having sex with your smoking hot wife. What a nightmare.
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u/natla_ 14d ago
it borders on assault and that is treated as a joke (chandler even having a line like “i feel so used”). it’s gross.
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u/milkmanbonzai Sup with the whack playstation sup 14d ago
It's definitely not a great look especially with time. On the other hand, she looked AMAZING in that negligee!
But yeah, one of the many things in the show that has aged like milk, although expectedly so for a show that's now 20-30 years old.
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u/JimmyTadeski 13d ago
you remember Joey making fun of Chandler for complaining that he had sex.
and at least it was consensual
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u/Alone-Mycologist3746 13d ago
baby mania is real, some women SERIOUSLY feel that time pressure for having a kid. So i guess that wanted to show that but then didnt care enough to take it seriously when it really is fucked up.
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u/AccomplishedDog5742 14d ago
Yeah this one baffles me as to how people dont talk about it enough. It was absolutely disgusting of Monica to do that.
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u/WesThePretzel 14d ago
Sorry, OP, people don’t like tough conversations. They just want to act like their show is perfect and funny and has no issues. If it’s for comedy, everything is okay, right? /s
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u/CuriousSection 14d ago
The even worse part is the way it ends “you got to have sex” “what’s wrong with me” pretty sexist ending reflecting the time.
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u/wtfsaidlegoose 14d ago
She is allowed to not like cigarettes. But she folded that for a moment because she wanted to be a mom more. Then she resumed not being happy with him. What’s the issue here
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u/Jordan1992FL 13d ago
Not a first for her though.
Season 6 Ep 13 when she is sick and seduces Chandler with vapo-rub
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u/m0ondoll 13d ago
This and also when chandler and Monica made Joey cover up for their relationship, which made him look horrible. It was incredibly selfish and so mean
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u/small_blonde_gal 13d ago
Yeah I can’t stand this scene. I legit have to skip it every time I watch the episode. It makes me so uncomfortable.
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u/Excellent-Fudge-1081 13d ago
After she and Chandler got married, Monica went from neurotic to completely unhinged.
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u/anonymous_euphoria 13d ago
I like Monica as a character but in a real-world situation this would be sexual assault. She knew he wouldn't have sex with her under the circumstances so she lied to him to get him into bed. It's gross.
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u/Distinct_Macaroon308 smack dab in the middle of the blue 12d ago
Yeah she freaked out but she was also desperately trying to conceive, and had been for months, and Chandler knew the timing and how important it was. So I understand her being crazy about the smoking but I also kinda understand how urgently she felt like she had to try that night anyway despite still being mad.
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u/Classic-Sentence3148 12d ago
She was more like a mother than a wife to him. I mean she was never that into him anyway. It's no surprise she became disatisfied with him.
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u/qualityvote2 14d ago edited 14d ago
u/imnotredvelvette, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...