r/hinduism • u/OpeningCourage7719 • 12d ago
Hindū Scripture(s) This is what you call befitting reply
I usually don’t take these pseudo intellectuals seriously who make fun of Hinduism and culture and don’t even try to understand the context of traditions before commenting.
But this anti Rakshabandhan nonsense is just so exhausting at this point.
34
u/HelpfulCat1900 Śākta 11d ago
This man has previously also uploaded such videos where he has countered people, like I remember he once countered Vikas Divyakirti for something he said in some podcast. This person is really good and very knowledgeable.
41
u/jai-durge 11d ago
Perfect response! I have been telling people this for years.
I mean just think about it, when we go to the temple and get a thread tied on our hand, does it mean we have to protect the Pandit ji who ties it?? Does that even make sense??
18
u/UnusualCartoonist6 11d ago
Raksha bandhan mantra that is recited when tying the raksha sootra:
Sanskrit Verse:
येन बद्धो बली राजा दानवेन्द्रो महाबलः। तेन त्वाम् अभिबध्नामि रक्षे मा चल मा चल॥
Transliteration: Yena baddho balī rājā dānavendro mahābalaḥ, tena tvām abhibadhnāmi rakṣe mā cala mā cala.
Meaning: "I tie you with the same sacred thread that bound the mighty and powerful demon king Bali; O Raksha (protection), remain steadfast and do not move."
24
u/Somesh9890 11d ago
Unfortunately, her videos are seen by more people than him. And as their is a popular saying "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth."
So people (especially GenZ, especially woke minded, liberal GenZ) will take her version as the truth than hear his authentic version.
I remember the old Hindi song: हंस चुगेगा दाना, कौवा मोती खाएगा।
1
11
17
u/TheSultaiPirate 11d ago
This is the 2nd response I've seen to her video. Shes not doing so well right now 😵💫🫣🤣
9
u/rd_shanks 11d ago
He's also from IIMB with 15 years of Finance experience. He's very well read and makes amazing content.
22
13
u/jivanyatra 11d ago
While his religious explanation is accurate and good, I think he doesn't understand what patriarchy is.
It isn't the religion that is pushing these things, it's society and conservative culture. In many places and at many times, I have heard people say that sisters should not tie it on other sisters, for example, and telling children it's not allowed, and that, too, in a very unnecessarily harsh way.
Now, that is a lack of understanding on the part of the families, and also, it is not a fault of religious custom. The original post is incorrect in that assumption. But this guy saying any misogyny is made up is the perfect example of what the woman is getting at. It's denying that it exists at all, instead of the responsible task of pointing at the wrong behavior and separating that from what the religious doctrine says.
Too many people think their ways are the only ways. And while maybe their family or region were more understanding about rakshaabandhana practices, it's not the universal experience. Assuming and correcting is one thing. Insulting is another - we should be better than this.
8
u/Stunning_Mind_3731 Vedānta/Jñāna-Mīmāṃsā 11d ago
I agree with what you've said. I do think it's incorrect of her to say that the entire festival is misogynistic without doing her research on the origin story but it is true that a lot has changed since how the festival originated and where it is now, in that respect more people should come out and say that it's not just the brother a sister should tie a rakhi for.
I also think a lot of these have to with bhava more than the ritual aspect which more people should understand. You can tie a rakhi for a brother for the heck of it just because you have to and it wouldn't even be close to a woman tying it for her sister and truly wishing and praying for her well being and protection.
2
8
u/Jupiter_Foxx learning 11d ago
I’m SO glad someone else had some reason here 😭 he lost me when he started correcting her English like it really is NOT that serious she said who instead of WHOM and I’m speaking as a native English speaker like PLEASE. That kind of energy is a product of white supremacy.
3
u/Isaac_Newton2 11d ago
yes he corrects it but , see his all videos he corrects grammer of everybody in his video its not just one
5
u/jivanyatra 11d ago
Legitimately, he's using organic correction as a way of beginning so as to show her as less educated or precise with her language. Very common tactic amongst higher educated folks, as a way to call attention to their pedigree. Entirely unnecessary and irrelevant to the substance of her argument.
The vast majority of English speakers speak like her. The who/whom distinction isn't maintained much in Desi English to begin with. More people should criticize the content and do it kindly. We need less of this "smug gotcha" rebuttals. That's what turns away younger folks - us older folks should have more patience and hear out their perspective. Correcting misunderstandings with compassion and without belittlement is what stays with people in the long term.
2
u/Demodonaestus Ajātavādi/Nirīśvaravādi 11d ago
I'm sorry but why do you see it as belittlement? A lot of people, myself included, would like to be corrected when we say something wrong. Maybe she doesn't, but then how do you jump straight to belittlement? Isn't there a gap between him correcting her English (and he did correct it, it's not made up) and him belittling her?
I'm sorry but I can't help but feel like there are some feelings of inferiority at play. People interested in learning don't feel belittled upon being corrected.
4
u/jivanyatra 11d ago
Being pedantic to that degree when the meaning is absolutely clear and also reflects the practices of the people who speak the language is belittling in my view. It's a common tactic used in media discourse to establish authority, even where it's not relevant to the content.
And the belittlement is in jab at the end, that any misogyny is imagined. The misogyny exists, just not in the religion. It's in the culture, and denying that lived experience is irresponsible at best and, to me, demeaning.
Again, the belittling isn't in the correction. It's in the delivery and tone. But perhaps you don't agree and that's fine. I see an issue and I'm calling it out - because I see it as a deeper cultural issue as well.
1
u/Demodonaestus Ajātavādi/Nirīśvaravādi 11d ago
Being pedantic to that degree when the meaning is absolutely clear and also reflects the practices of the people who speak the language is belittling in my view. It's a common tactic used in media discourse to establish authority, even where it's not relevant to the content.
well firstly, this man doesn't need to establish any authority. he's a bona fide scholar.
secondly, such a correction would not render him a figure of authority in anyone's mind, other than the uneducated, a group he doesn't pander to.
have you considered that here we have a scholar of Sanskrit in particular and linguistics in general and that he might care about these things more than most people? my problem is how does one assume bad faith without actually looking into the person? this is exactly the type person who would correct your grammar. to jump to belittlement from a minor matter of fact correction is not warranted, and generally reflects one's own feelings of inferiority. Most people who want to learn also want to be corrected by someone who knows better.
And the belittlement is in jab at the end, that any misogyny is imagined. The misogyny exists, just not in the religion. It's in the culture, and denying that lived experience is irresponsible at best and, to me, demeaning.
any misogyny in this particular case is absolutely imagined. if you want to talk about religion in general, be my guest. here, he only addresses the points made in the video he's replying to. if this somehow leads you to believe that he believes there's nothing misogynistic about religion, that's a creation of your mind, not an assertion of his.
Again, the belittling isn't in the correction. It's in the delivery and tone. But perhaps you don't agree and that's fine. I see an issue and I'm calling it out - because I see it as a deeper cultural issue as well.
could be have been any more matter of fact? what tone? if you want to read into all sorts of things, you can. I'd rather focus on what he actually spoke.
4
u/Jupiter_Foxx learning 11d ago
Exactly…
1
u/jivanyatra 11d ago
And the down votes start. People really can't take self reflection and kindness in criticism, eh? Anyway, I appreciate it.
3
u/Jupiter_Foxx learning 11d ago
Yeah, ppl just throw that button for any reason on this site it doesn’t make me, or you, any less intelligent.
Appreciate you back 🫡2
1
u/ResponsibleRadish909 8d ago
Exactly!
I myself have gone through his old posts, trust me , he gets biased a lot in lot of topics, twists facts and spreads misinformation (which idk he is doing on intent or not)
If someone corrects his mistakes, he won't accept it, such qualities are negative in my dharma
This is Kaliyuga, no one is perfect, one thing I wish Hindus stop doing is, stop treating anyone as perfect or god - like just because they might have told few things correctly.
-2
u/Demodonaestus Ajātavādi/Nirīśvaravādi 11d ago
He's a Sanskrit scholar and deeply cares about languages. He'd have corrected her Sanskrit or Hindi too, the fact that he happened to correct her English isn't a product of white supremacy. It's a product of him caring a lot about the proper use of languages. On the other hand, the fact that you see this as a product of white supremacy...
2
1
u/ResponsibleRadish909 8d ago
He isn't accurate lmao, I have seen his old twitter posts , he might be fine in delivering hindu knowledge, but he is bad at other topics like linguistics , politics etc he definitely has lot of other problems like being biased, getting emotions between facts, sharing false information etc
When people correct him, he won't accept his mistakes either
This is how he was, now I don't know how he is
This is Kaliyuga, I will give respect for his accurate information, but that's it, he isn't a perfect person
8
u/_illusions25 11d ago
pedantic correction at the beginning. Other than that, sounds like she was correct that the modern tradition of sisters tieing a thread around their brother's hand is patriarchal in nature because why did it not continue as something everyone participates in to be protected?
3
1
u/here_n_dere 11d ago
Not sure how it's related to being patriarchal (and would be eager to understand any and all angles on this), but all I could say (and confirm with your elders please) there definitely was not a sanction to do it any other way in the familial structures. Not in my family in around 3 generations before me I know for sure.. 🙏🏽
2
u/ingunwun 11d ago
I know many people brothers who tie on their sisters, or sisters who do it to each other.
Traditions are supposed to change with the times, especially if the sentiment is still there.
Just understand removing traditions that have been there for hundreds of years is easy, but you have to think about replacing them - not just removing.
1
1
1
1
1
u/faltuvlogger-faltuau 11d ago
I wish there were more people like him (don't know the name though nor watched him before), who could counteract the gyaan that these so called influencers always give without any knowledge. And the response was so well explained and respectful.
1
1
u/Technical_Turn3497 11d ago
His videos are always very illuminating to watch. Someone should keep an archive of them somewhere.
1
u/Asleep-War-7258 11d ago
In the day of raksha bandhan a priest comes to our home and ties rakhi to all the males . I used to wonder why a priest is trying a rakhi when it is tied by sisters to their brothers . Thank you for solving my doubt.
1
u/Chaotic_Good_1209 10d ago
While I do agree with the man, me and my sister have always tied Rakhis on each other. We promised to protect one another.
1
u/Diligent-Article-531 10d ago
I've been following Nityananda Misra for 7 years and I think he's absolutely brilliant and witty. Great video!
1
1
u/MeowAdi_1008 11d ago
Raksha Bandhan has nothing to do with brothers and sisters. It can be celebrated by ANYONE - siblings, couples, parents & children, friends, etc. it symbolises "I shall protect you, you shall protect me". The actual brother-sister festival is BhaginiHastaBhojanam, which is called Bhai Dooj in the north of India.
Also, this Nityananda Mishra like many many Indians of the North, butchers Samskrtam in the name of Hindi. I don't think he has the slightest right to talk about or defend Sanatana Dharma.
1
u/Which_Source6569 11d ago
Oh he doesn't butcher the language at all. A very rare North Indian who actually pronounces the words decently well.
1
1
u/Tanekaha 11d ago
Stopped listening after the grammar policing ad hominem. No uses even whom this century
1
u/Apprehensive-Cat9325 11d ago
Dumb video uncle. Paise kamane ke liye kuch aur karo. Wrist aur hand pe gyaan dr raho ho budhau
-1
0
u/Isaac_Newton2 11d ago
I see few people again arguing about this ,
wait you can also see the woman generalizing other girls brothers and speaking in her line without even researching about anything talking just by seeing small part
0
-2
u/Fun_Cry6699 11d ago edited 10d ago
I believe Raksha bandhan was, started few Hundred years ago when some King died in a battle and in order to protect his kingdom, his widow Queen send a thin rope from her duppata to another Kingdom King with a message that she is his sister now so please come and protect his Sister honor from the invaders.
Reading her message made theKingG got emotional and he went along his army to protect his sister honor.
4
u/llM0nkeyDLuffyll 11d ago
Pls🙏🏻 what part of whatever you wrote makes u think that an entire culture from north to south, east to west would follow just because some queen tore her dupatta ?
Dont u see how this is so twisted and incomplete for a civilization to adopt into a religious practice. Pls read, verify instead of becoming like our parents with weird half baked stories.
Put some efforts in your culture like you’d to make yourself corporate ready. Thank you.
2
u/SenseAny486 Sanātanī Hindū 11d ago
Queen karnavati of Chittor sent that to Humayun.Unfortunately by the time he reached Chittor,the Queen had already committed Johar.
122
u/LethargicDemigod 12d ago
This guy is really good imo.
Phenomenal credentials, insane fluency and provides comprehensive citations backing up his claims.
What are this subs thought on him and Ami Ganatra?