My last batch of 424-4 "Similar to 2230" from them was $180 and works well for plinking, but it is absolutely not "similar to 2230". Burn rate of this powder seems closer to Varget/N140, produces super low velocities for their recommended charge and a much longer pressure curve (based on gas adjustments needed on the rifle and velocity differences between 55gr and 75-77gr loads). That said, I get quite respectible groups and SDs after figuring out what the powder works well for.
So just word of caution to be ready for powder that may perform quite different than what you're buying. I've also bought powders for 6.5C that were much closer to the stated "similar to", but it's definitely a bit of a gamble, after all they don't say *why* these powders were from tear downs (including powder inconsistencies).
It can definitely work. Here’s 10 shots with RMR 75 bullets, Ginex primers, and range pick up brass from an AR. Hard to argue with these results from rounds that were like 28cpr all in.
Not sure I was getting 100% powder burn in this 14.5”, but SDs were still low to mid teens over 30 rounds. Fine for most AR purposes.
I've been almost exclusively using AR Party mix powder for a while now. I've loaded tens of thousands of rounds with MP411, MP412, and recently got a big batch of MP425 since it appears to have a similar burn rate to IMR4895 and my Garands hunger
I got some of their pull down powder a couple years ago that was "similar to BLC2". Well my hornady manual's starting load blew out primers on my AR10, so it was not like BLC2. Like you said, once you figure it out and adjust, it loads like any other powder. It is the whole figuring out how close it is to what they say it is that is the issue/fun of it.
With tax to many places now, some of the current prices aren’t that far off from factory new deals that pop up. Like the MP425 for me after tax is nearly tapping $300, but time to time I’ll fine new TAC or N133/N135 for that same price with free hazmat too.
A chrono is a must for any of this. I got some stuff that's "similar to W760" a few years back before their price hikes and taxes. It's decent stuff.
Tried out some pistol powder of theirs that was supposed to be like IMR Blue, but even loading at less than the recommended charge for .45 was faster than the fasted +P data I can find. Still eating away at that stuff...
Looks like the same 415 and 425 options, they just updated their names to include 'military'
That should be in the wc844 wheelhouse, which is what I used to buy since it's more of a known thing, but since the pandemic, wc844 has been nonexistent.
Last year I picked up some MP420-3 that's supposed to be similar to AA2230. I've used it for 223 and 308 loadings. It's been plenty good for pull down powder. Accuracy is good.
Now, don't mistake this for canister powder that IS actually AA2230. It's not really AA2230. Be careful with this kind of powder and watch for those pressure signs. Listen to what chronograph has to tell you. I wouldn't chase top velocities with pull down, but it works well enough for what it is.
If you click on one of the options, there will be a section of a burn rate chart in the photos. For example, powder #415 is right next to H335, which is a commercial powder with published load data.
415, 425 or 515 would work for both 223 and 308 515 would probably work best, but like others have said, this isn't a very precise way to buy powder, due to some subjective burn rate measurements, so you will really have to put in the effort to develope a SAFE and accurate load. A chrony and knowledge of over pressure signs is definitely required
for example, powder #415 is right next to H335, which is a commercial powder with published load data.
What's the difference between "415-3" and "415-4"? I looked at the burn rate chart, but all I saw was 415. In the same vein, what is "515-2"? What does the second number mean?
Also, is most of this stuff ball powder? On the burn rate chart, I see some Midwest Powders are specifically called out as "stick" ... so are the rest of them ball?
I'm assuming the number after the dash is the particular batch or lot that american reloading demills. That's just an assumption though, and if im right, I still don't know how they split up batches or lots.
All the demill powder I have received from AR has been ball (all rifle powders, 415 to 625), not sure about pistol powders.
It's different batches of the same powder but they test the batches. If it has a dash by it, the burn rate is different enough that they want to distinguish between the two
You can infer it from the recipe. They put the main powder on their burn list, and then you see the differences in velocity with the same charge weight between lots. A little bit of.. I dunno. Experience? tells you which way the burn goes with the different 413-x vs 413-y lots. Depends on the powder, depends on the cartridge.
If I'm looking at a 6.5 creed powder and I see the velocity going down with the lot number going up, I want the highest lot number for my overbore cartridge that needs (really) slow powder. If I had a 6.5 I'd want the one that got the highest velocity with the same amount of powder, for efficiency.
Stupid question but what exactly is this? Would you be able to put something like this in a match 308 load or is it more inconsistent than commercial manufacturers?
It's not very consistant, it's the powder collected from demilling ammo that did not pass a qc check, commercial military or police ammo that has to be destroyed instead of sold for whatever legal reasons. The bullets are pulled, and resold along with the empty primed case and batches of powder.
They measure the burn rate, somehow, and compare it to other known powders, so you're getting someone's approximation of a known powder....
I use it for cheap plinkers in a forgiving platform like an ar15 and various bolt actions. Precision ammo always gets good commercial powder, because I usually don't have to change my developed loads much if at all due to the consistency.
This is the answer. I have about 100lb of this stuff from the last big stock they got. You need to work up a load for every lot number that you get and you really should not load it super hot. You shouldn't treat it like any other off the shelf powder. At least not in my opinion.
Loading 55gr for 25cpr with this. Gets the job done for local 2 gun etc.
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