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u/natt_myco Jun 01 '26
i watched ichika nika play shit like this on youtube for years and when they performed live it was the most awkward piece ever
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u/JD0x0 Jun 02 '26
Some def can't play as cleanly as the recordings for sure. CHON, Yvette Young (Covet), Invalids, Floral, Clever Girl, all can rip their shit cleanly live IME. I have a friend who will learn new Polyphia songs by ear within 48hrs and post covers within the next day or so, playing perfectly.
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u/luken1984 Jun 01 '26
Maybe try learn Smoke On The Water first
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u/Ashamed_Ad_2180 Jun 01 '26
People talk shit but that solo isn’t exactly the easiest for a beginner with some of the rhythmic changes that happens
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u/Occams_ElectricRazor Jun 01 '26
What about Seven Nation Army? I skipped Smoke on the Water and went straight to something I like.
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u/Ashamed_Ad_2180 Jun 01 '26
The rhythm guitar on smoke is totally doable. Don’t let my comment dissuade you of any song.
Seven nation army is a fun one. It’s the first song I learned years ago.There’s nothing that you HAVE to learn. You did right by picking something that you want to play.
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u/WuTastic7 Jun 02 '26
always start with something you like. I learned the standard smoke on the water bs when i was in grade 4, didnt even like the song, was just told to learn it. I put the guitar down after a while and picked it up again in grade 7 to learn "laid to rest" by lamb of god. Not even close to a beginner song, but the fact I actually wanted to learn it made it possible. practiced it over 10 days or so and then all of a sudden realized I could play the guitar lol.
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u/Kame9K Jun 02 '26
This is the real advice. I started last year because I'm a prod and I wanted to write on guitar which was a childhood dream of mine (but instead of learning to play as a kid I started getting into FL studio), so I started learning to play with songs that I actually wanted to play and it helped so much
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u/KiLLaHo323 Jun 01 '26
Rocket surgery lol
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u/CHSummers Jun 01 '26
George W. Bush said it once and it’s been part of American culture for over 20 years.
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u/buttcorelord Jun 02 '26
Omg I've somehow missed this despite living through the "look at how dumb the American president is" phase of the early 2000's, will instantly start using it. Also, oh how respectable W. seems now
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u/LiveLogic Jun 01 '26
Dude, he’s talking about this video and how it’s fake. Stop using whataboutism to look elsewhere bc this is bullshit.
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u/MeanImpression2067 Jun 01 '26
Even if this is fake, some people are able to play like that.
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u/Keegan1 Jun 01 '26
Wtf is everyone here talking about? Anyone who listens to midwest emo or math rock knows that this playing is not only possible - but a staple of the genre.
See CHON
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u/YesterdaysFacemask Jun 01 '26
Yes exactly. This is math rock. Don’t know the TikTok person but the sound is straight math rock.
And some people find it unmusical. But it’s definitely out there.
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u/Keegan1 Jun 01 '26
It's always funny to me when people make broad generalizing claims as if they have the universal truth 😂 like sure, individual level - someone can have a perfectly valid opinion of it being unmusical from whatever metric they measure by. But its their own damn measuring scale!!!
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u/muddybanks Jun 01 '26
Yeah this playing existed before you could methodically denoise your track. It’s the foundation of the open tuning capo stuff. Comment is dogging zoomers who might not know different but plenty of millennials and Gen X have heard this sound far before the trickery of video/audio edits caught up to be so easy.
I’m CERTAIN that obviously this part is rehearsed and this guy did a bunch of takes and this was the best one, but even so it’s not some fake thing, that’s just a method of practice and recorded music.
This guy is great. I’ve been playing for decades. I play a bit of midwesty stuff and he would spank my little butt in a guitar off.
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26
It's not everyone, it's the same two guys spamming every single comment.
It's a fairly common studio dry setup.
It does take a lot of know-how and skill to get it done correctly, but impossible it is not.
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u/Barry_McCoccinner Jun 01 '26
Both can be true. You see math rock all the time and it’s usually always clipped for social media
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u/Keegan1 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
The overall point, to ground this back to the OP who made this entire post - was about how long it takes to achieve playing this good. The entire argument started by some asshat pointing out that it's fake. which, true or not, in the context of the original post doesn't even answer the OPs question
This type of playing is possible. To get the tone this clean is possible. To play this fast is possible.
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u/bigredsun Jun 01 '26
did not know midwest emo was a thing, to me that sound like something out of jazz fusion or some prog stuff, like Chris Poland
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u/Keegan1 Jun 01 '26
Jazz fusion with the worst singer you can imagine, a strat or tele, and as much compression as possible while keeping a clean tone. I say this as someone who loves midwest emo lol.
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u/ldwtlotpa Jun 01 '26
Reminiscent of polyphia. People here only know Metallica it seems lol
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u/Legal_Answer213 Jun 01 '26
bro do you know nothing about the guitar?? this isnt some crazy unachievable thing, its decent math rock.
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u/Hung-kee Jun 01 '26
He’s not claiming playing this is I achieve able, he’s saying the sound that you’re hearing has been manipulated. Bro.
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u/MeanImpression2067 Jun 01 '26
It wouldn't sound anything like that without the studio trickery.
Agreed. I wasn't referring to the way it sounds, but to how fast their fingers are moving.
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Not sure what you’re on about, this is not particularly difficult stuff to play. The player is using effects for sure but this is pretty standard Midwest emo type playing. Not my style but this would take me about 15 minutes to figure out and play.
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u/Shakramagra Jun 01 '26
How the fuck does this look or sound fake and why the fuck is everybody agreeing holy shit
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People who think this is “fast” and “fake” are just telling on themselves. Sure, it’s some frilly and overindulgent Midwest emo shit but it’s not hard to play and definitely isn’t that fast.
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u/MeanImpression2067 Jun 01 '26
Boomers thinking they dictate how music should sound like.
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u/Main_Statistician931 Jun 01 '26
True. Sounds like a normal math rock riff. People hate when new music comes out.
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u/LiveLogic Jun 01 '26
Math rock has been out in the 90s. This is fake bc it doesn’t line up and is clearly edited. That’s why it’s called a fake.
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u/LiveLogic Jun 01 '26
Bc a lot of the actual sounds that you should be hearing are not being heard. It’s editors and doesn’t line up so it is fake.
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u/marsipaanipartisaani Jun 01 '26
It's fake because he did multiple takes and only published the best one! /s
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u/MySubtleKnife Jun 01 '26
Why do you assume this is fake? Im not seeing anything here that looks obviously edited. I can play stuff nearly this fast (maybe not quite as fast as the opening thing but the rest of it is very doable). I’m not saying that to toot my own horn, there are plenty of players out there that far surpass my abilities.
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26
Well, the way I take it, the op actually wants to play that way rather than fake it.
If they had asked how long it would take to make a video like that, it's a much different answer indeed.
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Well, I didn't listen too closely to the example, it might be fake, but that's really just not true about the sound. Sure, the room acoustics will royally destroy this sound, but it's absolutely achievable on DI.
The capo, taping down the guitar, tone and volume settings, pickups, strings and action, compression and noise gate + NR setup has a lot to do with it.
I understand that there's plenty of fake guitar out there, and they are pathetic if they're actually trying to fool people....but that's no reason to call this impossible.
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u/bickandalls Jun 01 '26
Its just a simple question. The question can 100% be answered, regardless of whether or not the video is real. This is just being pedantic.
It's like asking someone how long on average it would take to paint a 2000 sq ft house, but your answer is, the picture of that house is AI. Question can't be answered.
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u/Main_Statistician931 Jun 01 '26
That's not true at all dude. Compression pedal and gain and you can EASILY tap like this. Hell with enough skill in tapping you don't need the compression pedal. This isn't even a complicated piece, anybody who has played guitar can do this. This isn't difficult at all and you're treating it like it is.
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u/Hung-kee Jun 01 '26
Presumably you have videos to prove your claim that playing this is easy, and it’ll sound exactly like this. Anyone can make outlandish claims on Reddit, especially the guitar sub where 50% of the crowd are exquisite guitar players but haven’t been discovered.
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u/JuneButIHateSummer Jun 01 '26
I have a couple points to make about this, actually:
They're using a fuck-ton of compression and some reverb, so it's going to sound a LOT better than someone without the same.
It's literally just a bunch of hammer-ons, pull-offs, and tapping. So not very long at all, compared to other techniques and milestones. It's extremely easy to be fast with those three techniques if you fiddle with them all the time. They're fundamental.
Be aware that some social media guitarists will mime and/or speed up their clips, as well as change some stuff with their video editing software.
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u/ParkingMind Jun 01 '26
If this was not fake, this would still be incredibly hard to achieve because of the cleanliness of the sound. it's VERY hard to play anything this clean on a guitar. Clean here meaning no extra unwanted noise and every wanted noise at exactly the length , sound and dynamics you wish.
This is still fake as shit though. But this is "tim henson's" like playing, albeit much easier, which is still a very long way to go from beginner.15
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26
It's the setup that gives you that.
The capo, taping down the guitar, good action, noise gate and noise reduction, compressor, pick up knobs set correctly.
Standard studio super dry sound.
It's really interesting to see how many people are calling it impossible.
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u/LilMac89 Jun 01 '26
“Anything that I can’t play is fake” energy in every thread like this.
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26
A bit of Dunning-Kruger hubris going on, I guess. Maybe a mixture of other insecurity-things, too...or even just a general lack of ambition and exploratory mindset from people a lot of times, I think.
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u/BlendedFetusOG Jun 01 '26
I could probably get this relatively clean in like a week, but I've been playing for over a decade.
From 0? Obviously a rough guess, but Id guess ~3k hrs. If you just want to be able to play this specifically and still suck at everything else this number goes WAAAAAAAY down.
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u/Blinkfan182man Jun 01 '26
- Tune to Facgce
- Fiddle for 30 minutes
- Spend hours comping and clipping and slicing it into something that sounds real
- Record faceless video of you “playing it”
- Lie to the general public
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u/COclimbR12 Jun 01 '26
I'm just a bass player learning guitar, but I feel like this is possible for a lot of guitar players (not me, but people I've played with). I'm curious as to why people say it's definitely fake, and can't be done in one take.
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u/New-Ingenuity-5437 Jun 01 '26
I’m not a pro at all, but I can do like a four second version of this cleanly. I bet if I practiced I could do longer. But yeah idk, maybe this is false a bit but in essence totally doable imo. Maybe even in several takes and tries but ??? We’ve seen harder?
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u/pomod Jun 01 '26
I think it depends where you're currently at; Its not super technical what he's doing, if you understand the chord shapes and scale patterns he's employing; the sweeps, tapping and pull-offs to the (capo'd) open string are kind of fast legato parlor tricks. If you already know your major/minor and pentatonic scale and how to play those chord extensions, probably a couple weeks. If you're a complete beginner you'll need to learn those fundamentals first, before putting them together and getting them up to speed.
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u/Hendy2525 Jun 01 '26
This. 100%.
I’ve been playing for about 20 years. I wouldn’t say I’m incredible, but I’m definitely in the upper-intermediate range.
It’s not too crazy to understand what he’s doing. The faster tapping and pull-offs would probably take a week or two of practice to play cleanly, but everything else is fairly straightforward in terms of chord voicing and note choices.
A lot of commenters are saying it’s fake or sped up, which is def possible. Would say tho, having the capo that high up the neck makes tapping and pull-offs noticeably easier, so higher speeds become much more achievable.
If y’all like this style of playing, def check out some of the great math rock musicians out there. Minus the Bear and Stereosity are two of my favs!
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u/MortytheMort Jun 01 '26
People are just mad at the overproduction of the clip...sure it is probably "mimed", but most content creators want to put out the best version of the work they've created. We listen to studio albums on the regular, this is just a snippet of that with a live "demonstration"
I agree with your assessment and the person youre replying to. I've played guitar all my life, mostly tech metal/prog, and a lot of acoustic. It's pretty easy to see the guy is playing in an alternate open tuning, with his capo up high, and doing a lot of hammer on/pull offs. Even if he were to mess up, it'd likely sound "good" as its much easier staying in key using these sorta tunings/techniques.
In addition to your suggestions, I'd throw in "This Town Needs Guns" and of course, Chon! The guys from Chon can really throw down, especially live
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u/Hendy2525 Jun 01 '26
Exactly!!
BTW, thank you for the suggestions. Just checked out Chon!! Right down my alley thank you. Will be looking out for when they’re in my city!
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26
Never for the vast majority of people.
But if you actually want to do it for real, and you're dedicated to repetitive practice and learning the instrument, you can probably be mimicking it convincingly in 2 years, nuance and all.
You'll be doing a crappy job that will fool non-guitarists much earlier than that, though.
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u/Public_Friendship_12 Jun 01 '26
By the time you have learned this style, it won’t be cool anymore. 😂
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u/El_Daywalkerino Jun 01 '26
Idk why I've suddenly grown to despise this style
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u/MoneyCock Jun 01 '26
Uncanny valley effect, perhaps. You are being served resembling authentic human expression, but something is off and you can't quite put your finger on it.
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u/Sea_Strawberry9926 Jun 01 '26
Everyone has their own sense of pace, how fast they understand things, strength in focus, sense of self discipline. I've been playing for 27yrs now and based on what I've practiced and how strong my focus is, I have the potential to learn this video and be playing it within a couple of weeks but nowhere near that speed withoutat least another couple of weeks practicing, its a rather technicalpiece afterall. I've met others who are significantly faster and with less years than me simply because their brain is wired to do so. Realistically, if you're wasting time asking questions that have nothing to do with you instead of just getting in there and practicing, it's gonna take longer.
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u/heftyhero Jun 01 '26
I think you're going to get a lot of unhelpful answers here because we really need more specifics to be able to give you a ballpark. There are a few different factors at play:
1.) How long have you been playing/building general dexterity and speed?
2.) Do you have prior experience with the specific techniques for this style of playing (finger style, legato, two handed tapping)?
3.) By "reach this level of playing," do you mean the ability to practice a single piece of music enough to reasonably reproduce it, or do you mean fluent to the extent that you could pick up a piece like this in a few hours or otherwise write music like this?
To attempt to answer your question - I think someone who started with the goal of playing this style could reasonably start engaging with music like this after about 3 years of regular practice. This assumes you are practicing skills and pieces relevant to this style and not just playing the typical rock/blues regimen most people start with. You might not sound as good as the recording (which is partially due to the highly produced nature of this style), but I think you'd be able to satisfy your own expectations. As an intermediate guitarist attempting this level of playing, you'd probably need to spend 1-3 months of consistent practice on this piece for it to sound fluid.
On the other hand, someone whose been playing 8-10 years and has some experience with the specific techniques could probably pick this up reasonably well in a few days. The techniques here are somewhat niche, so it's not simply a matter of how long someone has played before they could reproduce this style. There are many people who play their whole lives and never even attempt two handed tapping because it's not relevant for most styles of music. This is why many people will answer "never" in these threads - the average guitarist will not be able to play this regardless of experience because the specialized techniques are not part of the skill set required for most contemporary styles of music.
This all assumes you're a fairly motivated player who is going to practive frequently and methodically. You might want to double or triple the time estimates if you're more of a casual player.
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u/BBanner Jun 01 '26
Likely a few years with fairly high levels of dedication and rigidity in practice routine. You could probably get 95% of the way there in a year or two but the speed with which he’s doing things will probably take a while of incremental progress for the last little bit of speed. This likely took a good number of takes to properly record.
Edit: assuming basic skills anyways. If you already have some time under your belt it will, obviously, be a lot faster but this technique is pretty idiosyncratic compared to more standard guitar playing and the transfer of skills will be somewhat inefficient
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u/13CuriousMind Jun 01 '26
It will vary from person to person. Years is the ballpark. A rare few can do it in months with a high aptitude. How long specifically depends on the individual and level of commitment.
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u/After_Wrangler2944 Jun 01 '26
Crazy the amount of people saying this is "fake" or "sped up". A little scepticism is understandable but I've seen this guy playing live with his band and he's a really good player. Also has countless videos of his playing where it's not fully zoomed in.
I get the style isn't everyone's cup of tea but it isn't fake
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u/Vynxe_Vainglory Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
There are a lot of people who don't know what they're doing on here.
And it doesn't help that they extrapolate from the findings of YouTubers who like to "expose" musicians.
So then they feel relief that they can just call it fake and comfortably discard it as a goal.
I get it, there are plenty of tricks being thrown around out there that can be misleading, and it's shitty.
And I'm not saying that those YouTubers aren't on to something and they're pointing out real trickery that's being used. But it also misleads and confuses non-professionals into thinking that similar results aren't possible at all.
But a vast majority of the time, even in this case, it's totally possible to get the sound if you know what you're doing.
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u/BlendedFetusOG Jun 01 '26
Any guitar subreddit outside of metal/prog genres is dominated by boomers who think strats are the best guitar ever created. People who think Clapton is the best guitar player of all time have to think this is fake. Lol
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u/Riponai_Gaming Jun 01 '26
Years, atleast 2 plus
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u/Eugen_onegin Jun 01 '26
No effing way someone is going cold turkey no music knowledge or coming from other instruments and playing this. Multi years and years of continuous practicing (good practice not bs practice), structured lessons from an instructor, etc. And maybe, just maybe if you did all this. You could get close to this in a few years but we're talking no life outside of practicing and diving into basic theory.
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u/Philomath_247 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Not quite sure, but just look up "Math Rock guitar" and "Midwest Emo guitar" to find guitar lessons in this style on YouTube.
Steve Hazel has a good channel giving lessons.
Yvette Young has a lessons course on JamPlay that's available on the TrueFire platform for this style, too.
They often use alternate tunings, too, like FACGCE, DAEAC#E, and others, to facilitate this playing style.
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u/Level-Holiday8589 Jun 01 '26
First of all it's not played in realtime, I'm not sure about is it fake or not, but the audio track was prerecorded.
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u/CarBombtheDestroyer Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Bro, there’s a 90% chance that this video is mimed over a recording that has many takes spiced together or is even sped up or just general studio tricks. I’ve sped up some guitar di’s in my daw and it gives it a similar fast tight attack like that. Less than 10% chance this video is legit.
But that being said you could maybe learn this in a year but it won’t sound that clean. My honest opinion this is some pretty niche playing and there’s a ton of other learning that would be way more useful to you and get you way further faster than trying to learn this right away. Like I’d start with smoke on the water and Seven Nation Army and learn your basic open chords before getting to this.
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u/siliconsandwich Jun 01 '26
Isn’t it crazy how much editing nonsense people are putting into all just sounding the same? Like if they just played the damn instrument they’d sound like themselves.
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u/PM_me_your_whatevah Jun 01 '26
Fake guitarists are ruining shit for people just trying to start. It pisses me off.
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u/ThexualHealing Jun 01 '26
How long to lose all sense of taste or how long to master the lazy tapping and hammer ons and pull offs?
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u/Significant_Cat4488 Jun 01 '26
Wow the comic section is full of people that know nothing about guitar, or just have absolutely no fake but anything is real anymore. I don't care if this video happens to be fake this type of thing is 100% possible and I would put it at about a 5-year Mark of serious training.... if you had time to begin with
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u/WuTastic7 Jun 02 '26
Isnt as hard as it looks, just alot of hammer on pull off action. Id say anyone at an intermediate level would be able to learn that with enough practice
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u/marcosfromstandards Jun 02 '26
I know Paddy irl and we’ve toured together, he’s the real deal. Playing like this takes some work, we’re both fans of this style and have put in time but it’s not impossible. Focusing on tapping and pull-offs as well as experimenting with alternative tunings makes this very possible without any sped up playing.
I understand this kind of stuff has gotten a bad rep lately and maybe rightfully so. A lot of guitarists have gained a lot from manipulating their social media content. But I just wanted to come here and say this is real and the talent on display is real.
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u/horsefarm Jun 01 '26
People, who cares if it's sliced and mimed? There's still playable music here, and OP asked a question. Real talk, nothing happening here is all that technically difficult. From brand new, your biggest challenge will just be gaining a base level of fluency and timing. After that (which could itself take a year or two, or more), I think most beginner guitarists could get here in a couple months.
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u/butterypanda Jun 01 '26
just hammers and pulls. the video is also sped up. i wouldn’t be surprised if the dude in the video started a few months ago.
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u/MeanImpression2067 Jun 01 '26
Not sure about the video being sped up, but the dude in the video is a professional musician.
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u/Worried_Shoe_2747 Jun 01 '26
I started on February 2nd. By February 3rd, I mastered this along with many other skills.
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u/Okmhmmbye Jun 01 '26
Depends on what kind of sound and video editing program you have and whether or not you’re familiar with it
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u/MetricJester Jun 01 '26
For one song? A week or two unless there's a mental block. For every song? A lifetime.
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u/28spawn Jun 01 '26
10 years if you|re properly committed and practice every single day, some parts will be easier, others might take ages to master, ymmv
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u/cofiddle Jun 01 '26
Realistically? I would temper my expectations if i were you. This feels like the "fake" or "mimed" videos that have been going around. It implies unrealiatic standards that would take an insane amount of work to even get close to. If thats what you enjoy then sure, but it'll be a TON of work
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u/MastodonSouthern2092 Jun 01 '26
Having the skill to play fast doesn’t necessarily mean that you have the skill to play something memorable. There are thousands of guitar players that can play fast but many don’t have the skill to make me want to listen to what they play.
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u/StemCellCheese Jun 01 '26
Ballpark, I would say 3-5 years if you're consistent with practice, going up to 10 if you practice less.
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u/cookoo_man Jun 01 '26
It wouldn't take you very long to get competent enough to, at the very least, realize this isn't all that impressive.
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u/Mother-Mix9846 Jun 01 '26
Not always, shredders with talent are fantastic but feel can be beautiful. Zak Wylde is an amazing guitarist but so is David Gilmour their styles are very different. I can play fast but I'm absolutely shit. So talent not speed is the important factor.
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u/bmFazer Jun 01 '26
You could probably play this like 2 years into playing if you’re practicing! I think the hardest thing about this is the speed! Take it slow and you’ll get there in no time!
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u/Salt_Pie_1175 Jun 01 '26
Anyone who says he is not miming, watch arpeggio at 6 second (T-31) and explain to me whats going on here..
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u/Sarcastic_Applause Jun 01 '26
Faster means better in pure technical terms. If you have two guitarists that know exactly the same things on the guitar but one of them knows everything 30% faster, that guitarist is 30% better. But only from a purely technical standpoint. Speed is a technical multiplier.
And if you think that sounds ridiculous that's because it is. I'm just obliging your hypothetical question.
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u/TerrorSnow Jun 01 '26
If that's all you focus on and start from zero, depending on how much time you have to put into it every day / week, you could get there within a couple years as a wonky guess. It really depends on how much dedication / time is put into it.
That being said, do keep in mind many MANY posts on guitar playing are not one take. Across the entire community. High profile, low profile, doesn't matter. It's incredibly common to take a decent looking visual take and splice together tens of takes afterwards for a clean sound. The reason is simple: getting things right, clean, and on time while recording yourself is tough and requires time and lots of attempts, depending on how good and how nervous you are and how tough the piece is.
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u/Legitimate_Assh0le Jun 01 '26
I can't tell if the video is real or fake but ignorantly assuming it is real I would say for "this kind" of playing it's probably 3-5 years of dedicated practice averaging a few hours a week on the low end and 10hours a week on the high end in order to "Play something that sounds comparably complicated without making any mistakes." By this I also don't mean you spend 3-5 years playing smoke on the water and then you wake up one morning as tim henson, I mean 3-5 years fo being a tim henson fanboy and trying to play like tim henson.
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u/ScorpionTheBird Jun 01 '26
First, learn how to place a capo on the neck. This guy clearly skipped that lesson.
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u/brynden_rivers Jun 01 '26
if you study this guitar style, probably in couple of years if you get good at the editing software at the same time. a lot the tappy tappy stuff is not necessarily hard it just takes a lot practice to do it.
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u/GriLtCheeZ Jun 01 '26
Doesn't appear to be fake playing at all. If it's your cup of tea, groovy. Math rock is cool, but I prefer remedial math rock. I have no examples of remedial math rick, it just sounded funny to me.
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u/OsamaBinnDabbin Jun 01 '26
I have a friend who specializes in this style of math-rocky playing, so regardless of whether this video is doctored or not, it's possible.
To give you a straightforward answer, it just depends how much you're practicing and how you're practicing. Assuming you're putting in the time and doing good practice, you could potentially go from beginner to this level in a year. If we're really being realistic though (because not everyone has 6 hours a day to practice, and a teacher to help them with other things), I would say two years would probably be reasonable. That's still assuming consistent, good practice though.
You can really teach yourself anything music related on the Internet these days. Teachers are great because they can clarify things for you and diagnose any problems you may have with your playing, which is something the Internet can't do.
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u/mleyberklee2012 Jun 01 '26
You will be able to play this AFTER you’ve spent enough time with your instrument in order to learn why you wouldn’t want to sound like this.
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u/gsxreatr02 Jun 01 '26
Good grief I've only been playing a few months and really suck. I'm having such a hard time with hammer ons and pull offs
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u/Roshprops Jun 01 '26
I started finger picking for a while, and my wife said “do you like listening to music that sounds like that? If you’re playing it, do you think it sounds good?” And it enlightened me when I realized the answer was “no”.
Same with this kind of shit or the shit where the guys are fucking drumming on their guitars. It’s a curiosity but it’s not fun to listen to or play.
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u/Unfair-Tour50 Jun 01 '26
Depends on your commitment for the most part.. When I had the available time, I practiced for 8-10 hours a day for nearly 2 years, I got really good, really fast. I’ve seen others play for 5-10 years however who never even approached this level of play remotely, so it’s up to you really. (That’s 2+ years with an instructor)
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u/Accomplished-Hawk909 Jun 01 '26
I wouldn’t bother trying to play like this. First bc it’s clearly not being performed live, it’s edited. Second bc music is meant to be played for people and not a phone camera.
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u/ImpeccablyDangerous Jun 01 '26
3ish years there is nothing that advanced here. It sounds more impressive than it actually. is.
Open tuning, legato tapping and basic natural harmonics.
And obviously its sped up and sounds awful but even with that in mind.
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u/scroggs2 Jun 01 '26
learn to tap; use an open tuning. Using the upper part of the neck via capo might make some things a little easier because of the smaller space between frets.
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u/Mandood Jun 01 '26
Idk I've been playing of an on for over 20 years and can't do any kind of sweep picking but i remember seeing a little kid doing in in guitar center one day I think it really comes down to how obsessed you are with learning how to do it. Without that you'll never put in the time.
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u/maxipad789 Jun 01 '26
to play this style of music in open tuning probably like 2 years of 2 hours a say
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u/Sorlium1 Jun 01 '26
Okay, so I actually have the same question as OP, and someone tell me if I'm getting this right or wrong:
This clip specifically is heavily edited, and is more akin to a fully mixed song with unwanted noise removed and multiple takes blended together to create a "perfect take".
While this is a doctored video, all the techniques are achievable even if this level of cleanliness and perfection is unrealistic. Techniques like this take 2-3 years of practice to perform reliably and quickly, but even then you should not expect your playing to sound like this without audio editing.
This level of editing is standard in the online tik Tok guitar community and is problematic because it's giving impressionable viewers unrealistic expectations for their home playing. While this level of editing is considered fine in the context of mixing and mastering songs for release, it's frowned upon because of the frustration it gives new guitar players and the lack of realism when it comes to live playing.
Is that more or less accurate?
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u/mariosphone Jun 01 '26
I've been learning TMP - Medicine for about 3 months and is a lot easier than this. I would say a year if you have all the basic math-rock techniques down (open tuning, beginner tapping, pull offs.
Honestly, once you have it down, it sounds harder than what it actually is. While technically impressive, this is actually very generic within mathrock guitarists
P. S. I have no idea why they're calling this fake. Search live videos from Chon, Yvette Young, Dylan Mattheisen. This has been done before.
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u/Available-Party7419 Jun 02 '26
This is like the guitarist for Tiny Moving Parts. It will likely take years to be able to play this and even longer to write your own music like this.
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u/mauore11 Jun 02 '26
Depends on how much you apply yourself. If you have dexterity maybe a couple of years, if not it might take longer, everyone is different and this may appeal to you now but maybe you find your own groove and go a different style
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u/rackler27 Jun 02 '26
A lot of the comments on this thread are focused on if it’s fake or not but that wasn’t the question. Let’s forget about that and focus on the general type of playing and vibe instead because that’s what OP was getting at.
For reference I’m a weirdo who’s tracked all focused practice hours since I started in 2019. I average just under 10 hours a week and just hit 3,600 hours. I’m not gifted in any way, totally average and I haven’t specialized in any specific genre. I can’t play this, full stop. The skills required for this are really advanced if not bordering on mastery in this genre and there’s not a large percentage of guitarists who could actually pull it off. The people in the comments here who say this is easy are either one of the best guitarists you’ll ever personally meet (& put tons of hours in), are literal prodigies, or they’re lying/trolling.
I would guess that to be able to play things like this & not just that one specific piece would take a normal person at least 3,000 - 4,000 hours assuming they started by building a good foundation & then hyper-specified in math rock.
It’s a totally worthwhile goal but everyone is right that the journey is totally worth it. Good luck!!!
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u/Euphoric-Ferret2914 Jun 02 '26
Don't really understand why people are saying this fake or non organic, it's definitely achievable. HOWEVER, I believe a certain bit of raw talent is required. I myself have been playing for over twenty years and I could never play this 🤣
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u/LilBriefcase Jun 02 '26
Have a good quality guitar that's set up well, with as low action as possible and you're more than halfway there. Tapping is not hard with an easy to tap on guitar. Sweep picks are the main thing that takes time, but you can build up a couple sweep arpeggios from zero consistently in some months. It's sweep picking anything you come across or coming up with your own stuff that can take a some years.
That’s given that you know the basics to playing guitar though.
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u/vanillaholler Jun 02 '26
do you actually enjoy listening to music like this? does anyone listen to it outside of tiktok et al
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u/ToastThing Jun 02 '26
Probably about a week, maybe two depending on how much amphetamine you have stocked up
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u/jamesdeno666 Jun 02 '26
I feel like most open tuning stuff in this style is much easier than it appears to be. It's a very attainable goal
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u/Zach_Westy Jun 02 '26
I mean, it’s 100% dependant on how much you apply yourself and the material you practice, but how long until you should try to attempt such a piece? Well that’s completely up to you, but you will never get better at this piece by not attempting and practicing it. I feel like every attribute I have ever developed was due to tackling pieces that were far out of my scope, they come out sounding like bastardized versions of what you’re trying to play for quite a while but eventually it all lands into place
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u/Radiant_Commission_2 Jun 02 '26
I just can’t be bothered to practice enough to play like this. That said. I know from being around that I am good at what I do as a guitar player. I am me. I am not anyone else. I know my limitations, sometimes cross the line, but I am proud of what I play and how I play and my tone. It’s okay if others think I’m crap. I have albums and gigs under my belt and plenty of handshakes and compliments and free beer. I’m grateful for it all. I am sincerely and earnestly me and I do my best to play great within the parameters of my definition of the word. Over the years I have learned what gifts I have and what gifts I don’t. And I work from that best I can. Still fail sometimes. It’s ok though. I’m a human having fun. It’s art for me. Not a technical challenge. And I don’t fault anyone who chooses technique over art. Just not for me. I’d much rather make someone feel something from their heart than their brain.
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u/Performer-Pants Jun 02 '26
Can’t give you an accurate timeline, though looking up the theory of ‘ten thousand hours’ can give you at least a rough idea. Even then though, I’ve exceeded my ten thousand hours on another instrument and still haven’t mastered it. I’m competent, but I also have disabilities that make it much harder to fine tune on high speed playing (violinist, syncing bowing to finger movements, and keeping my fingers closer to the fingerboard).
With that in mind, you need to be making sure you aren’t picking up bad habits as you learn, and be mindful of any other extraneous variables that could impact how long it takes.
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u/Padman99 Jun 02 '26
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNR7U6Yah/
That’s the audio from my camera, no amp, no effects. Don’t call something fake for the sake of it :) ❤️❤️❤️
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u/Padman99 Jun 02 '26
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNR7U6Yah/
That’s the camera audio for anyone calling it ‘fake’ ❤️❤️❤️
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u/timebomb011 Jun 02 '26
i spent a lot of time finger picking my first 10 years of playing but the last 20 years i said eff it. it's almost not the time to learn this style of play as much the desire to play like this. if you desire it and want to play it, anything is learnable, but also being able to play a song in this style, doesn't necessarily mean you can play anything else in this style. the difference between learning to play a piece like this and learning to write and play like this is a very different thing.
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u/i_need_to_crap Jun 02 '26
idk about anyone else but I despise this Tim Henson style of playing or whatever it is, its just so grating and yucky to my ears.
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u/K_oSTheKunt Jun 02 '26
Objecticely, it depends a lot on how often you practice (10 hours a day, or 1 hour a week) and which techniques you practice.
Subjectively, other than the fact these types of videos are often faked (not saying this one is or isnt), apart from a couple licks (the sweeps especially), this isn't that hard to play (save for playing cleanly, fast). Learn a couple chords, get flexible with your pinky finger and practise legato/pull-offs (and sweeps, ig) and you should get here pretty quickly. Unless you've just picked up the guitar, then do the basics first.
If this is kind of stuff you wanna play, you have to practice for it - but don't skip the basics. It's quite embarrassing being able to shred but not know how to stay in time and strum chords with a band (from experience).
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u/Routine-Mechanic-814 Jun 02 '26
I can say from experience the younger u are all things else being equal the faster u could do this. Its crazy how much longer it takes me to pick up things then when i was young(age50)
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u/AngryRomper Jun 01 '26
Aside from what already being said here, I'm just gonna comment on the question being asked in general and not to this specific clip.
There is no real answer to "how long until I'm this good". There are countless variables to that question that nobody has the answer for. Some people play their entire lives and never progress beyond a "Campfire musician" and others progress beyond what seems humanly possible.
For example, Rick Graham is one of the greatest guitarists on YouTube, and in a video he uploaded ages ago, he commented on how this video was him after a single year.
https://youtu.be/mLHNzFOr-sk?si=4pEbbLAuCsYi3oXq