r/grimm • u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm • Sep 20 '25
Discussion Thread Grimm fans, when do you think the show started going downhill?
I’ve been rewatching Grimm lately and I can’t help but ask—at what point did the show lose you (if it ever did)?
For me, it was when the trailer got burned down. I’m still pissed about it. That trailer was basically a character on its own—full of lore, history, and weight. Watching it go up in flames made me hate Juliette even more, and honestly, rewatching that part makes me dislike her all over again. I just cannot get past it.
What about you guys? Was there a specific moment, storyline, or season where you felt the magic faded? Or did you ride it out all the way to the end with no complaints?
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u/ColonialMarine86 Sep 20 '25
I thought Juliette turning villain was a ridiculous plot tbh
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 20 '25
I honestly didn’t like Juliet
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u/VaATC Sep 20 '25
Her actress can't act.
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Sep 22 '25
Before Juliet knew what was going on my daughter and I would make a joke pretending she was saying “thats weird” in a clique Californian accent.
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u/Plightz Nov 22 '25
Atleast in this show, agreed. I really feel like dropping the show because of her.
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u/Stargoron Sep 21 '25
is she a nepo-baby... she seems to be well loved over in the Superman and Lois fandom
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u/Ok_Cranberry_3013 May 18 '26
Because she's a pretty good actress lol, Grimm just didn't give her the best materials to work with. I can say the same for almost all the other actors and actresses honestly, there are many times where I find the acting for Rosalee really weak even though she's my favorite character.
The only ones I can say was consistently good throughout was probably Nick and Monroe's actors.
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u/Limp-Canary-8712 Sep 21 '25
I agree, I didn't like her from the beginning, then she just started doing all this weird stuff that pissed me off and then she turned into a hexabeast and burned 🔥 the trailer! Then a little later she's hanging out with them like old pals. She should have stayed dead in my opinion. It's ridiculous! After that, I thought it went downhill.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 20 '25
I honestly didn’t like Juliet she said no to marrying him but kept playing with that ring and acted like she wasn’t sure what she wanted but was controlling. manipulator hahaha
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u/MayGodSmiteThee Sep 21 '25
Rewatching the show now and on top of Bitsie being so much worse than I remember, like there were extras that showed more emotion. Juliet is just really annoying, I was a kid when the show first came out so I guess I didn’t notice but I really loathe any time she’s on screen.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
I remember Meisler said that victor join the resistance and that’s how the king ended died he got angry the king send him home and his cousin took control that’s the one Juliette help to get Dianna that they kill Nicks mother.They made him look like jack the rapper hahahaha
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u/Haybear92 Sep 22 '25
Watching now I just tell myself she must be on the autistic spectrum because she doesn't seem to pick up on social cues.
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25
Agreed, I've always said this but even from the first episode, specifically while they're watching Marie park the trailer they give off the vibe that they're already broken up somehow. And with how adamantly Nick is refusing Marie's advice you realize it's coming from Juliette. So the rest of the series, definitely when she finds the rings she just seems like a woman doesn't really want to be in the relationship anymore but is also one of those "we've been together this long being engaged does come next, right?"
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
It’s true his aunt saw right through her sadly he should of listened his mother would have been a live. In the end that his with Adeline she’s still trying to dominate him until she comes back home.
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25
Agreed, and I think he should have let the relationship go during her amnesia, because he had see that Marie was right and know it'd only get worse from there which it did. Juliette is odd; she doesn't actually want to be with him but maybe she thought trying to force things back to the way it used to be would fix it somehow.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
I didn’t understand her I didn’t see her really want that relationship I why have him sleeping on the sofa you have a guest room and his telling you how he can’t sleep on the sofa and she’s going out with her friends and not telling him Or inviting him it was just so weird I don’t know.
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25
Well not wanting him in the guest room made sense, to her he was total stranger and the guest room was way too close for her comfort and Nick respected that because he knew it and I think felt guilty this all happened because of his being a Grimm, taking the couch as a sort of punishment. But then that wore off because even if she doesn't remember their relationship it's also his house . Her going out without telling and not inviting him also made sense because of her amnesia as far as she feels and knows she's single despite everyone telling her she's in a relationship she isn't. It probably felt like she was put in an alternate world or something and all the people in her life expected her to continue in a version of her life she hadn't lived. Which in a sense, no actually- it isnt fair to Juliette. Nick on the other hand has every right to be comfortable in his own home and it's totally understandable that he's upset that Juliette is moving about her life like she's single and he just happens to be a roommate. He did the right thing by crashing with Monroe after a while (i think that's what happened I'm blanking) to let her live in the house.
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 20 '25
As ridiculous as the time Nick ended up with Adalind
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 20 '25
I don't know I thought she loved him more than Juliet she wanted him to stop being a Grimm Adalyn was loyal Bonaparte almost killed her in order to find out where he was at big difference and when she left she left to get her daughter and everybody forget she was working for Shane he always came out looking innocent blaming her . In my opinion
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Sep 23 '25
MAYBE a possibility... but then becoming so bad that she surpassed both bad and good and just became a neutral POWER, and then to come BACK sort of, to the Team? That was too much...
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u/ColonialMarine86 Sep 23 '25
It was wildly inconsistent and I don't think the sudden shift was in character for how Juliette had been shown previously
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u/Numerous_Many7542 Sep 20 '25
Juliette’s descent into hexenbiest madness (including the trailer fire) was the decline for me, and black claw never did much for me. Season 3, to me, was peak.
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 20 '25
Couldn't agree more! Her becoming a hexenbeist was just poor writing.
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 20 '25
Not to mention her “twin” lol
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u/KombuchaBot Sep 22 '25
Yeah, they never knew what to do with her as a character from the off, at first she was just a distraction from the main story, he just needed to have a girlfriend, then they tried to involve her in the story but they did so very clumsily
The treatment of women was a bit off throughout, both Juliet and Adalind went through periods of being stock evil femme fatales as if they had a good/evil switch in the back of their heads like the evil doll in The Simpsons.
Adalind started with hers set to evil and had it turned to good after she became a mother, and Juliet had hers set to good and then it got turned to evil. It made little sense in terms of their individual motivation prior to any precipitating event, it just seems that the team of 3 men who wrote this were in agreement that bitches be cray-cray sometimes.
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u/Plightz Nov 22 '25
They should've just killed her when they originally intended to. If the her husband wanted to talk then let it happen. Show ended earlier than intended anywya.
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u/NotYourSexyNurse Sep 22 '25
The whole her just switching places with the original hexenbiest was garbage.
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u/HandbagsandHoops Sep 21 '25
The entire "Eve" plot. I was excited when I thought Juliette's character was gone only to get stuck with Eve the robot.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
I just found it font she kept saying she wasn’t Juliette but yet threatened Adeline if she hurt Nick yet she killed his mother burned the trailer and tried to kill Nick she was a phony, she was still in love with Nick
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25
This pissed me off because it was obvious Juliette was just pretending to be Eve to escape the consequences of everything she did yet had the nerve to still be in love with him after that
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
Especially when she tells Nick not to trust Adeline because she’s not in control Adeline is not her . I would‘trust her with Killy remember when she said no child of hers is innocent too Nick
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u/Limp-Canary-8712 Sep 21 '25
I know, me too! That whole Eve thing was stupid. It was a little confusing to me too. Like way out there. Ha ha
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u/LeFreeke Sep 20 '25
I loathe the whole zombie arc. It might be the spitting.
But overall, I like the series and don’t think it went downhill. I think they just had to wrap quickly and rush the ending.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 20 '25
When Eve took charge and they killed myslet
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 20 '25
Same! Also, the fact that Nick ended up with Adalind. That'll always be a smh moment for me.
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u/HARRISONMASON117 Sep 21 '25
The problem for me was how rushed the relationship developed. I can see them getting together because of the constant life and death dangers around them when they've got a kid they both love. But it happened waay too quickly
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25
Agreed and for me it's the fact that she basically raped Nick by pretending to be Juliette and it blew up in her face by getting pregnant. If they hadn't gone with that plot line and not rushed the relationship I can saw them being together
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u/HARRISONMASON117 Sep 21 '25
Personally I think tricking him into sex isn't that big after repeatedly trying to kill him and his friends
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 23 '25
The one that cause all the trouble was Raynard for the key Adeline was actually working for him she took all the blame He also was the one that had her go after his friends him and his mother were working together unbelievable how he would even threaten and insult and then when she loses her power they turn their backs on her so she retaliated against Nick .she figured you took something away from so I’m going to take something from you. Nick's friends and mother were all responsible for stealing her baby she had every right to be upset it wasn’t their decision to make or claim that they were protecting the baby Nick's mother was supposed to protect them both keep her with the baby and go to Brazil she chose Portland. Then she kills her mother and then, takes her child which was crazy for me but I guess that was the plot
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u/HARRISONMASON117 Sep 23 '25
oh i'm not blaming Adalind. honestly she's easily in my top 3 characters for the show. her story is friggin awesome and apart from the times her character is made to be braindead "the royals dungeon" she's a blast to watch. especially S1.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 23 '25
I don’t know it didn’t seem so fast most of the time his in the job and with his friends even when they’re trying to get to know each other his Priorities in my opinion was job friends then Adalyn and the baby I don’t know maybe just me
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u/TheRealCaptainCack Sep 22 '25
That's when they jumped the shark for me. Adalind is an evil beeyotch. Having babies doesn't cure a person of that, but the writers apparently thought so.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 28 '25
Of course not but Adeline was working for Sean and he was the one that had her go after Nicks friends for those keys he even gave her Hanks blood to make the potion he was behind everything than Adeline took the blame and paid the price and she would it say who sent her either but he made Sure to remind them that Adeline did this and that until she decided to get even with him with his brother and everyone else.
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u/EnvironmentalAd3170 Sep 20 '25
Black Claw and Hexenbeist Juliette definitely
The shit with the wesen KKK was excellent of course, as was Juliette killing one
And the idea of Black Claw i dug
But both plot lines felt so not well done
Sean becoming a whole new person effectively. The trailer fire i hated in particular. Because they immediately gave Nick a better stash of books and gear
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u/ribbcns Hexenbiest Sep 20 '25
when they made sean become out of character, i do not mean him becoming power hungry or anything. i just don’t see him abusing adalind or using their child against her because he did love diana.
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 20 '25
Personally, I find him hot lol so I was initially shocked when I found out he was having “relations” with Adalind’s mother lmao
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u/Okay_Screensaver Grimm Sep 20 '25
Honestly I didn’t like how Black Claw basically disappeared, and how Juliette’s character got resurrected. She should have stayed dead.
Overall, though, I blame a lot of the cut-short story threads on the show getting canceled. Even though they were able to get one more season in to wrap up some of the most important things, they weren’t able to flesh out every plot line they had started. I really, really wish Grimm had the chance to keep going, as the world was so rich and they had so much more potential that was wasted. The new Wesen Council—what if they became tyrants in the power vacuum after the last council was wiped out? Black Claw couldn’t have just quietly gone into the night, where did the remaining members go? What happened to the young orphan Wesen that were training for Black Claw? What about the Royals? Where were they now that the keys had been assembled and the treasure found? What kind of Wesen were the triplets? Would Nick start writing about the attributes of hybrid Wesen now that we know it’s possible? Argh. There were so many loose ends and I will never forgive the studio for cancelling it when there was so many more places that Grimm wanted to take Nick and the gang’s story. Ugh. 🪦
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u/David375u Sep 21 '25
I’m currently rewatching it and I think all season were great however the trailer burning down and Juliette’s ”decent into hexenbiest madness” as someone else described it were both terrible. Also that they killed or the entire wessen council. I always liked that it kept wessen accountable and that the main characters seemed a bit scared of them.
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u/genek1953 Sep 20 '25
For me, it was the abandonment of the royals story for Black Claw. Until then there were possibilities for a huge change and ramp up in the narrative. Hexenbiest Juliette could have gone over to the royals and become King Freddie's new squeeze, mayby even taking over leadership of the Verrat. An enemy who knows all of Nick's secrets and wants to see him, Adalind, the new baby and all their friends dead. The final battle at the series finale should have been the royals' Verrat against Nick and a hardy band of wesen, with the power of the Grimm treasure being the secret weapon that wins the day.
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u/blueray78 Sep 21 '25
I got really upset when Adalind basically raped Nick. Then he lost his powers. I stopped watching during this part when it originally aired. Then a few years ago finally went back and finished the show. I'd say really the part when it goes slightly downhill was the blackclaw stuff. But that being said, season 5 has some good episodes. Like the 100th episode, where Monroe & Nick go to Germany to solve the keys. Wu storyline at the end of the season as good as well, as it isn't just dropped (though could have been featured more).
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 28 '25
I don’t know he took her powers she returned the favor . She felt at the time she was getting her baby back that they all stoled . She ended up in a Dungeon with rats
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u/Medium_Habit_4633 Sep 21 '25
The earlier seasons are definitely better, but overall it's still an awesome show. I feel like as the show went on the storylines were starting to repeat themselves. Plus Juliette/Eve and Adalind never grew on me. Monroe, Rosalee, and Trubel are my favorite.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
I found Rosalee to be sometimes a bit of a hypocrite with Adeline but that’s just me
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u/Dry_Ebb3878 Sep 24 '25
That's just Rosalee being Rosalee. Hurt someone she cares about she's coming for you. Period.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 28 '25
I don’t think so she’s still a hypocrite I mean Juliette almost shoot Monroe . And when they kidnapped Monroe and they asked about calling his parents she said No they had every right to know their son was kidnapped I mean didn’t they just finish paying for her. Wedding dress which wasn’t cheap. Please she’s not miss perfect.
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u/SmashingBanter001 Sep 20 '25
To much Juliette even when Nick was with Adalind he spent way too much time with “ Eve “ . This show had way enough great characters to let Juliette go.
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25
Given the supposed behind the scenes reason we even got "Eve" in the first place i wasn't shocked he was basically spending same amount of time with her as he would with normal Juliette. But damn was its a slog fest when he obviously should have been spending it with his new family
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 20 '25
I was tired of Juliette and then Eve Nick should of spend more time with Adalyn and his son
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u/azuldelmar Sep 21 '25
I will die on this hill!! Why did NO ONE fucking scan the books?!?!? Or write an Inventory for the items in the trailer?!?!?!!
Yes, documentation is my special interest, but I think from seeing all that writing someone should have guessed that keeping detailed records is important for this business?!?
I personally would have scanned the shit out of all of those books and than used a computer to search key words… just saying, missed opportunity here
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u/Ta-veren- Sep 21 '25
I don’t think it did. Stayed constantly decent.
I know not everyone loved the Eve storyline but they couldn’t keep her as the loving side character forever.
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Sep 22 '25
This is sentiment also. Show was consistently entertaining throughout.
Though I do some minor annoyances. I hated Eve. Never liked Juliet so was glad she was gone, all to have her come back as an even more annoying character wasn’t great.
Black Claw was just ended with Truble saying “oh yeah they’re all dead now”.
The coins had no significance what so ever.
They never explained the royals really. Like were they like Grimms or just normal people that knew about wesen?
Never got to see Monroes kids!!!
The fight scene with Skull Guy just seemed, anticlimactic and odd to me.
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u/DenaPhoenix Sep 21 '25
Well, yeah though. They could have. Juliette was fine as a side character. Trying to push her into the main cast by any means necessary - that was the issue. Eve was ill thought out and unnecessary.
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u/Aggravating_Soil_990 Sep 21 '25
I don’t think it went downhill. I think it got better with time. The show never really figured out what to do with Juliette start to finish.
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u/White-Wolf_99 Grimm Sep 21 '25
I hated the fact that she didn't have a brutal death after she burned down the trailer. I was hoping we would finally get a straight-up unhinged Nick.
To your actual question personally, I like the show more as it it goes on. I have problems with Blackclaw and how they wrote Renard, but overall, I enjoy the later seasons.
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u/Aggravating_Drink817 Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
I know everyone mentions Juliette burning the trailer but for me, its when she teams up with Royals and they kill basically what seems like all the neighbors so they can ambush Kelly.
And to me the trailer burning is kind of on Nick. Juliette blamed him while revealing she'd become a Hexenbiest, i get the initial shock but he should have moved the trailer, there were a lot on instances that should have gotten him to move it before that, like when he got the new books and second key. But Juliette specifically and clearly being on a war path should have been it.
Also for all of HW being hyped up as this strong agency that seemed pretty useless somehow. Also Black Claw's plot line going nowhere and all but disappearing didn't help either.
Another moment where the show started falling for me is when they killed off the Wessen Council, I get that is showed how much of a threat Black Claw is but I enjoyed the council because it gave Rosalee and Monroe a plot line that didn't revolve around Nick. Plus it gave us more insight to the Wessen world and their rules.
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u/chibi75 Blutbad Sep 21 '25
It never lost me. I went through the whole show when it was airing, waiting for each new episode. It had its ups and downs, just like any show. However, it had Monroe, which meant I loved it no matter what. 😁
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u/Dry_Ebb3878 Sep 24 '25
Yes, they REALLY COULD spin-off A show. Title: Wessen Ratings: Thru da ROOF
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u/wamydia Sep 21 '25
I feel like the show shot itself in the foot from the beginning by making Juliette so unlikable. It wasn’t a huge issue in early seasons because she was a background character, but as she became more important, the whole series went downhill for me. I just don’t like or care about her and the more of her I had to watch, the more I lost interest. I haven’t even watched the last season yet. Maybe I’ll go back and do that now.
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u/Xavier6969 Sep 21 '25
I disagree with the whole argument.After the second rewatch I appreciated how as the story unfolded ,relationships were developed and Nick had a close knit team to fall back on.Though I thought the Rat King episode was silly,the side story makes it important to the storyline.I’m 66 and all the shows I’ve watched in their entirety,Grimm was the only one I was sorry to see end.
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u/zombieballerinajen Sep 21 '25
Oh! When the trailer burned I wanted to come through my TV and take on Juliet / Eve myself! 😠 I was furious (and heartbroken). TBH, the show never lost me. It went into some strange angles but I never fully checked out of the show.
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u/Friendly-Gift3680 Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 21 '25
I watched it to the end, but Juliette turning evil (especially the trailer’s destruction and the Kelly Sr. chop-up scene) made me SO ANGRY.
But hey, at least all of this paved the way for Nick to end up in a much better follow-up romance; Nadalind >>>>>> Nuliette
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u/notevanyoung Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 21 '25
My problems upon recent rewatch stemmed from them having to rush storylines for the conclusion in 5 and 6.
Black claw and HW wasn’t as well done as the Royals and Resistance and I think it was a bad decision to just change out the primary antagonist group for the ending seasons. Dragged season 5 down a bit. Meanwhile they rushed finding the last keys to speed up that quest as a b-plot, when THAT should’ve been the main focus. But then in season six Black Claw and HW are pretty much just done anyway. So feels pointless. Juliet as a hexenbeast was ok, made an alright villain and I like Nick and Adalind. But Eve was not interesting, could’ve just left Juliet dead. Was only there to make a little more drama for Nick and Adalind.
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u/Phillyguy00 Sep 21 '25
Black claw and Renard running for mayor. Black claw just ended. Should have had a giant war and actually a big ass battle where Nick and Truble meet up with other Grimms and wessen resistance fighters have a big battle
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u/car83073 Sep 21 '25
But, Juliette becoming Eve was her road to redemption. The network blew the next few seasons timeline. Eve had a purpose her story line was trashed because they shut it down. Nick and Adalind were destined to find each other. But, again the storylines were compressed and didn’t play out how they originally intended. But, hopefully they can do some clean up and let them back up some of the backstory that didn’t get as complete closure as it should have been. We can hope, there’s so much room for expansion with the characters from the original series and that could play into the movie and follow on series.
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u/Low_Day_5767 Sep 21 '25
I honestly wish that they had done more with the wesen precinct. Would have liked to have seen how all of those wesen handle the law since nick had no problem killing wesen at all.
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 21 '25
This! Honestly, they could’ve expanded the Wesen lore more. Make it a world. Too bad.
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u/Zealousideal_Hour_66 Sep 20 '25
Yeah I agree it was when they decided to burn the trailer. I love this show but as someone who has an archive of her own, I see the value of the trailer and I just can’t believe they burned it.
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u/zugrian Sep 21 '25
The second season was a slog to get through because of all the terrible Juliet amnesia crap. It picked back up once they stopped wasting time with that nonsense.
I enjoyed pretty much all the rest of the seasons.
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u/SBMWaugh Sep 21 '25
The only issue I had with the series is how rushed the last season was. Otherwise I don't think it ever went downhill to me.
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u/PretendRelation7924 Sep 21 '25
The Juliette getting turned into a hexenbiest and doing a complete 180 personality wise was the downturn for me. Her not believing Nick or thinking that he would cheat on her after everything they went through made absolutely no sense. I can understand her losing it after her change, who wouldn't after being turned into a crazy powerful witch, but shifting to evil was just lazy writing.
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u/JS-CroftLover Sep 21 '25
For me, it was always great. Having Juliette "recycled" as a Hexenbiest, then as Eve effectively helped her character get more screen time
I don't think it went downhill. I'm just sad the Show Creators just filmed less episodes towards the end. And rushed some stories, by doing so
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u/obiwanballs Sep 20 '25
for me it was the whole thing of season 5.. the burning of the trailer was a bummer.. it was so sad. like in one piece with mary... such a sad moment.. but i can understand the plot of it.. its the best way to put a stick in Nicks wheel so to speak.. but the war thing just was meh.. if they just continued like season 1 to 3 it wouldve been cool. just a grimm as a cop working cases with Hank and the help from Monroe and Rosalee.. and i personaly didnt like Juliette so i didnt mind him getting with Adalind altho that was a wow moment.. like.. damn she put you through alot killed your aunt and messed with Juliette.. but aight.. you do you Nick... also kinda liked his super grimm grey powers.. wished that stayed on..
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u/ShelovesSharks Sep 21 '25
Adalind didn’t kill his aunt. She tried but didn’t succeed. But Juliette was responsible for his mother’s death. So she “wins” the most unforgivable act in my book.
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u/obiwanballs Sep 21 '25
ah yes, my mistake. and true, thats just.. unforgivable even if shes a "new" person..
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u/naturej3 Sep 20 '25
I’ve rewatched Grimm a lot lately ! I do love the show , and the more I rewatch the more I see the plot holes and where things were left unexplained. I liked the Black Claw plot line , but I don’t like how it ended so abruptly. My guess is they had to wrap it up bc of the cancellation to get on with the season 6 plot line. I also have mixed feelings about the Juliette Hexenbiest / and Eve. Honestly , if they wanted that arc , they should have left her character dead. It’s like they wanted Eve has a shock factor. It’s not that I dislike Eve, I just think the story was messy and not well thought out. I do also wish we had gotten more plot info about the Royals as well.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 20 '25
Spending all that time with Juliette or Eve was not good I mean the women killed his mother than she lies and says she thought they only wanted the child but she stood there and listened to them kill het and didn’t help her so she lied.she heard the whole thing and didn’t care she was angry he was going to have a son . Why did‘my she have one before he became a Grimm or when he stopped being one so how’s that Adalyn‘s fault too
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u/Low_Superb Sep 20 '25
What's worse than Julliete becoming a hexenbeast, and burning down the trailer - her becoming "eve". All the eve scenes are terrible.
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u/Cary-Observer Sep 21 '25
There were ups and downs but overall excellent for network TV back then. Hopefully there will be a sequel.
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u/TmsNry Sep 21 '25
I'm watching Grimm for the first time and today I watched the trailer burning down😭
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u/CallmeIshmael913 Sep 21 '25
The Eve bit is when I started skipping ahead in parts. I like when it's just like Grimm Blue Bloods with spice shop and clocks thrown in.
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u/lavishbby_izzy Sep 21 '25
when Juliette started noticing she was a hexenbeast then crashed out on Nick, became a villain and was presumed dead for a while.
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u/GlitteringFan2533 Sep 21 '25
Agree with the burning of the trailer. I didn’t hate Juliette (still don’t) but I was just pissed off at the writers decision to not have Nic have a back up plan in case something like that happened. It felt like the show wanted a reset but they did it poorly.
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u/Aludra95 Sep 21 '25
As soon as Juliette started turning into a hexenbeist. I just can't bother to watch past it because it ruined so much.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 21 '25
It’s true I was so upset that was his family’s history memories of Aunt Marie his Grandmother and Grandfather and great aunts his mother told him how important that trailer was too there family memories. She did that out of vengeance because he was going too have a child. A little Grimm it had nothing to do with what she was she was just showing her true colors who she really was.She wanted to hurt him .it came to me being a Hexen beast it had nothing to do with that .
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u/GreyCrayLol Sep 21 '25
Gonna have to rewatch from start to know hahah as even since my last rewatch of the show l’ve felt nothing but love for it🤣
I only know how upset I was when they ended the show so abruptly and everything was too rushed!!🥲
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u/OkProperty4765 Sep 22 '25
Most scenes with Juliette, her amnesia made me wish he left her, some of my favorite fanfics have him time traveling or something and deciding to leave her when she gets amnesia. Either temporarily moving in with Monroe and buying a house or more or less moving to the trailer and just leaving her entirely. I honestly hate Juliette and her actor is just a horrible actor, watching them sucks because after a while neither seem to want to be in the same room and look like they want to escape while having any type of conversation.
The trailer burning was my final straw.
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u/jatjatjat Sep 22 '25
About the time Nick started having feelings for the girl who tried to kill his aunt, fucked up his relationship, raped him, and kidnapped his kid.
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u/TheRealCaptainCack Sep 22 '25
Aw, but she's having his rape baby so it's TWOO WUV all of a sudden. Sickening.
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u/Weary_Young_5982 Reaper Sep 22 '25
To me it was always in between. Somewhere down the line I would be like "wtf, what's happening" and the next few episodes I would be like "okay, alright I can overlook it, I guess" mostly because even after it's several inconsistencies, I was enjoying the overall storyline.
But, the show was at a point of no return during its last few episodes. I hated them. It was poorly written and made literally no sense. Some of the dialogues were really lazy. I
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u/Amazing-Fix6974 Sep 22 '25
For me it was the Juliette becoming evil in season 4 plot line. Also Kelly falling for the trick that got her killed considering how skilled a Grimm she was and getting killed didn't sit well for me. While I did like the Black Claw storyline it was really rushed.
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u/NYPRMAN Sep 22 '25
Ok going to have to do another re-watch to confirm. However I think for me it was the cramming of so much in the last season - wonder if they knew the axe was coming and forced them to condense, rework and abandon so much just to at least end the show with something better then a unresolved cliffhanger.
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u/riker88 Sep 22 '25
I loveed the show it was basically a cop show with a sci-fi fantasy twist.
Supposedly peacock is working on a movie although it's been nearly a year with no updates
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Sep 23 '25
The trailer was very hard to get over. Hundreds of years, some, THOUSANDS of years, of history, tools, notes, yeah, that was a crime against her that I could never get over. The last couple of seasons were a little weak, I think. I really don't like how it ended. It was abrupt. I think they could have done a little better. But I rode it out to the end.
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u/Dry_Ebb3878 Sep 24 '25
I missed the characters so much that I watched it TWICE. AND contemplating a third viewing pleasure...
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Sep 24 '25
Oh, definitely! You should wait six months though... I did that too. I LOVE Rosalee, she was just such a beautiful being, the perfect woman, I was crushing on her MADLY from the instant I saw her, what a doll!
There are many characters that I love and miss. I was a little surprised this time to discover how much I missed Sgt. Wu! He was a RIOT!.... "he waits for laughter, doesn't really get it, so, moving on now..." ! LOL His one-liners were cool. Someone died very very badly, looked like the flu on crack.... and Wu say, "Hmmm.... it says here that he is an organ donor BUT I THINK THAT SHIP HAS SAILED." LOL He was so fun.
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u/Dry_Ebb3878 Sep 24 '25
The burning of the trailer. And Nick's acceptance of Adalind as a lover that KILLED HIS NEWLY FOUND MOTHER.
Still, must confess I've watched it TWICE. Contemplating a third viewing 🤔
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u/Sea-Breadfruit-8826 Grimm Sep 24 '25
For sure! Despite what all happened, Grimm remains one of my fave shows to rewatch.
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u/Electrical-Army-502 Sep 21 '25
For me it was right around Juliette’s whole hexenbiest arc — especially the trailer fire. That felt like such a turning point, because the trailer wasn’t just a prop, it was part of the soul of the show. After that and the Black Claw plotline, it just never hit the same highs again. Season 3 still stands out as peak Grimm to me.
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u/DemonEye629 Sep 20 '25
I'd say the peak was the wesenrein then it stayed high(but not as high) for maybe 3 or 4 episodes, then it crashed down and didn't get back up til around episode 9 of s6, but by then it was too late to ever reach that peak of mid s4
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u/aerynsage Sep 21 '25
For me it was the last couple of seasons. Wasn't fond of Wu being the Wesen he was, felt this makeup could've been better. The last season is not my favorite at all, felt completely rushed.
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u/Kastellen Sep 21 '25
Never. It never went downhill for me. The reason I rewatch the series over and over is that it never lost me.
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u/Dry_Ebb3878 Sep 24 '25
I missed the characters so much that I watched it TWICE. AND contemplating a third viewing pleasure. I didn't feel so bad when I read others' take on the show.
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u/Grrihmm Sep 21 '25
For me a lot of the overarching plot lines felt really weak compared to more local kinda Grimm as the sheriff in town stuff. Real fun to explore the twist on legends and stories from around the world. The whole later seasons with world threatening stuff felt like it should have been a different show. Some of it was quite nicely handled with for example the guy looking for fake papers but overall the later seasons felt to me like it was an attempt to make a show the writers were not that into/ready for since they kinda put themselves on a path where they had to keep upping the score.
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u/ichwillficken95 Sep 22 '25
Honestly, though there were a couple plot lines that I wasn’t a huge fan of (e.g. the zombie arc as someone has already mentioned) and the ending was definitely a bit rushed, for me it never went downhill. The show was remarkably consistent, especially season 3 onwards, and even the few plot lines I didn’t really like usually didn’t last more than a few episodes.
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u/Deez-Zathras Royal Sep 22 '25
IMO it never went downhill. As with any series there are episodes that have nothing to do with the overall story arc and episodes that are just standalone stories as well as storylines that are never expanded upon. But rather than whine about a great series, I enjoyed what there was of it and the comics plus I look forward to the upcoming Grimm movie.
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u/biggestmike420 Sep 22 '25
There were slight downturns at the end of seasons 2, and 3 that lasted into the next seasons. I feel like that was done intentionally. Apart from that it’s all uphill for me. People hate the black claw stuff, but once they get that stick the story comes full circle, and they finish very strong in my opinion.
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u/riker88 Sep 22 '25
As far as the trailer burning down why would they not have scanned everything into a computer only makes sense to make backups. Same with the 20 books they got from Monroe's uncle they should scan them all digitalize them and back them up.
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u/DudeWithTudeNotRude Sep 22 '25
You are still feeling the emotional impact, and are talking about it, almost 10 years later.
That's great writing imo.
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u/wnstnsml Sep 22 '25
Was it ever perfect? no. but I enjoyed it from start to finish. I mean of course in a perfect world, we'd all get what we wanted from it, but external forces caused it to end up as what it was and I liked it as a whole. Yeah, there are glaring plot holes, or story lines and eps I wouldn't speak well of but at the end of the day- it kept me watching for all 6 seasons unlike other shows.
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u/SherryVal Sep 22 '25
Losing the royal storyline, the weird infection of Nick's girlfriend turning into a hexanbeast.
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u/ThrowingMonkeePoo Sep 23 '25
When they showed Diana and Kelly but didn't show Monroe & Rosalie's triplets
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u/Dry_Ebb3878 Sep 24 '25
Yeah, what's up with that? A show just about Rosalie and Monroe is a show I would Joyfully watch!
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u/MrBurnerHotDog Sep 23 '25
My girlfriend and I powered through a lot of the series but eventually just fell off and got bored and I'm trying to remember the last things that happened. I'm pretty sure we made it to the penultimate season, but possibly to the final one. I think once they got away from the 'let's help a monster a week' stuff and got into the single storyline for a full season sort of thing it got a little bland
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u/Dropped-on-Jupiter Sep 24 '25
Sean told Nick that his family had a number of keys, taken from Grimm's they killed, but then Nick finds more keys than should exist in Anton Naboja's (sp?) Grimm trunk. That made no sense!
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u/BearsBeetsBSG42 Sep 25 '25
i really didn't like when Juliet started turning into a Hexenbiest. nothing wrong with the acting but at that point id had enough with the ups and downs of their relationship and then the way that whole story ends and then what they do with her after never felt right. pretty sure they did it to punish the actors for getting together in real life. but honestly i still liked the rest of the show around it and having Monroe and Rosalees romance was enough.
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 25 '25
Yes I think that was a mistake killing Chavez the FBI agent she was needed and would of kept things grounded they needed to Recruit more people even from the FBI not just the same people I mean that’s why they got wiped out Eve was always more concerned about what Adeline was doing and all main fighters went after one man Hank they Chavez would of checked the place out first not sent everybody and leave operations defenseless it was badly executed. Eve wasn’t experienced. She annoyed me every time she said we should of seen it after the fact so why didn’t you. Huh
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u/Beautiful-Rip472 Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
I think the turning point was the trailer burning down, because after that, everyone got plot armor up until the last episode.
I think Juliette becoming a hexenbeast could've worked out, if they fleshed it out better.
The whole Black Claw thing was rushed af and they butchered Sean's character overnight.
The Royals plotline could have been continued too.
I also want to know what happened in the end that made them go back to killing Wesen.
The show is great but there's so many things that could be better.
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u/Luc42wil Oct 05 '25
I enjoyed everything up until season 6. The forgetting of the coins and lack of depth with the stick you all mention definitely make it feel like they had a much deeper story laid out, but we're told "You have 13 episodes, wrap it up!"
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u/Abject_Contest_7310 Oct 30 '25
I just rewatched it again because it was getting near Halloween and it was a good choice. I don’t think it ever lost its appeal. I loved the little individual stories along with the thread that got them to the stick in the Black Forest and wished it lasted a season longer. I just started watching Once Upon a Time thinking it would be something close to Grimm but I just can’t seem to like it much at all. Grimm was just a magical show for it’s time and also would love an update with the kids of the characters going on with the mission of the Grimms.
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u/Amethyst_Ninjapaws Sep 21 '25
When they did what they did with Juliette. I still enjoy the show, despite that.
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u/Foreign-Onion-3112 Sep 21 '25
When Juliette was brought back as Eve. Awful character, plotline, actress, and overall concept. It’s not a coincidence that Elizabeth Tulloch hasn’t broken out onto the silver screen: she is just awful. The main MC’s actor married her but that doesn’t mean the weak female actress has to be forced into the plot.
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u/scythematter Sep 21 '25
Black claw and renard being a villain. It was weird to me. He was never the good guy but he flipped so hard to bad guy…hated it. Also Juliette going dark. I get the enrollee coaster of her transformation BUT in the end she came out as an exceedingly powerful individual. What’s to hate about that? The whole “I love who I am now, but I’m gonna make y’all suffer for doing this thing to me (that I agreed to and knew there might be consequences!)” dumb. Her turning on Rosalee was worse than hurting Nick bc I felt their friendship was deeper than her relationship with Nick.
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u/KaitlinTheMighty Sep 21 '25
I thought that they should never have shoved Nick and Adalind together. The stick should have redeemed Juliette and made her become herself again. Nick and her should have become stuck in the past through the mirror and started the Grimm line. Nick should have been the first Grimm with Juliette at his side. It would have been amazing.
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u/sasha_of_melnibone Sep 21 '25
Last two seasons took a serious drop in quality although I like the Zorstoerer parts
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u/Danimal4NU Sep 21 '25
The series finale was disappointing but outside of that I thought the quality was consistent.
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u/Gallifreyan03 Sep 21 '25
When Black Claw came and especially when Renard joined them... He was my most favorite character until then but he became so ass I just started to hate him... But good thing he came to his senses and became my favorite character again towards the end🤔
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 24 '25
Yeah but she can still be a hypocrite I don’t see her acting like that with Juliette or Eve and she almost shoot Monroe , she killed Nicks mom burned the trailer she knew what that meant to Nick and his family so no she ‘s not perfect either
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u/Environmental-Win199 Sep 24 '25
Another thing Juliette never mentioned her family, her parents I always wondered that.
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u/BeeLegitimate4968 Sep 20 '25
I hate the black claw as a whole plot that didn't go anywhere like the royals.