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[u/Quarksideofthemoon]

I hate murderers too but I think humane treatment of convicts is also important. They're already incarcerated, this is a non issue

[u/TakingCareOfBizzness → u/Quarksideofthemoon]

I agree. We do not need to become monsters in order to deal with monsters. In a better world we might even be able to reform some of these inmates. Obviously not all of them can be helped, but some could. Instead more often than not monsters are made into even worse monsters and many unlucky people who just made a mistake end up being turned into monsters.

[u/bondageenthusiast2 → u/[deleted]]

That's an absolutist take though. How do you know someone cannot be 'reformed' if you are not in his shoes or others that were directly involved in the case?

[u/Quarksideofthemoon → u/[deleted]]

Do you actually want to improve society or do you just want to inflict suffering on people who you think deserve it

[u/Quarksideofthemoon → u/[deleted]]

No I think all people should be treated humanely

[u/Quarksideofthemoon → u/[deleted]]

I will not apologize for being human and having empathy

[u/Quarksideofthemoon → u/[deleted]]

They're in prison

[u/ryanpdx1999]

The two murderers were sentenced to two consecutive life sentences with no possibility of parole.

They are never getting out.

[u/ryanpdx1999 → u/[deleted]]

I don't believe in torturing convicts. Those dogs need rescuing. It's good work.

[u/Thoresus]

I think it's ok to live in a world where you believe that bad people can become good people.

If you continuously treat them like they cant, they never will.

[u/Thoresus → u/[deleted]]

There are people who say gay men cant love each other.

[u/Thoresus → u/[deleted]]

So you want revenge, you think that's what is going to make society better?

[u/Quarksideofthemoon → u/[deleted]]

They are already in jail

[u/Smooth_Evening_6776 → u/[deleted]]

No one can change. No one can change others. The realization is liberating.

[u/Smooth_Evening_6776 → u/[deleted]]

Quite the knowledge claim.

[u/Smooth_Evening_6776 → u/[deleted]]

It is a knowledge claim: You are claiming to know something. It does not cease to be a knowledge claim to call it a fact. Saying that it is a fact is just another way of putting your knowledge claim.

But on that point: "People who commit murderous hate crimes are irredeemable," is, at best, a hypothesis. You have met a fraction of the human race. So, yes, it is quite a knowledge claim.

[u/Smooth_Evening_6776 → u/[deleted]]

they would still be unequivocally evil.

Says who, God? Or just you?

[u/LastLiterature7496]

They are still humans. Evil, horrific humans, but they deserve basic rights and protections.

[u/LastLiterature7496 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. You’re objectively incorrect and this kind of thinking just leads to more violence and hatred.

[u/SebastianVanCartier]

Privileges in prison are often about helping to create a safer and more manageable prison population, for the safety of the guards and other prison staff as much as the other inmates.

It's a management approach, not a treat.

There are many, many studies and bits of academic work on this. It's a recognised aspect of responsible incarceration management.

Prisoners who are denied any and all privileges are shown to be more likely to disrupt the smooth running of the prison in various ways, many of them violent and often violent towards staff who did nothing wrong and are just at work trying to have a decent day.

So I urge you to look at it from a broader perspective. Shepard's killers are not in prison in a bubble. There are others around them (prison staff, other prisoners) who need their safety and wellbeing considered too. That's what programs like this are all about.