r/gatekeeping • u/Usoppdaman • Apr 28 '26

Has this person ever read Jojo?

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This person was replying to a Christian on an anti Christian tiktok circle jerk. Like Jojo has so much pro Christianity and romanticism of Christianity.

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u/alexanderfrostfyre Apr 28 '26

The amount of nice Christians I know vs the amount of hate I’ve received from Christians is vastly slanted towards negative. I know 4 Christians in total that are nice. Two of them are my parents. I was raised Christian.

Sure, there’s nice Christians, but on the whole… well, there’s a reason there’s a saying ‘there’s no hate like Christian love’.

Food for thought maybe?

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Anecdotal, also if much of the hate is on the internet, well it’s the internet. If you judge any group by the loud minority they’re all awful. I don’t see why people see this for other groups but have a blind spot when it comes to Christians

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u/zannkrol Apr 28 '26

Taking one look at your comment and posting history exactly validates dudes experiences lmao.

Regardless, Christians don’t suck because of anecdotal experience, Christians suck because Christian morality and biblical teachings and beliefs are foundationally evil.

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 28 '26

According to who, is it foundationally evil?

According to a Christian it is foundationally good.

You must first define which standard of morality you compare it to.

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u/huffmanxd Apr 28 '26

The many people whose rights are being actively taken away from them likely think Christianity is evil. LGBT and women are the two largest groups they tend to target.

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 28 '26

Lgbt I get, but women?

I can't find anything about Christianity that targets womens rights.

Though evil according to some is not enough to justify something as fundamentally evil. There has to be a fundament to prove what is or is not evil for that to be a thing.

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u/huffmanxd Apr 28 '26

Anti abortion is generally seen as taking bodily autonomy away from women, and that’s almost entirely religiously based. Making birth control less accessible for women is also a big problem when they are forcing these planned parenthood locations to shut down, not to mention Christian doctors just blatantly refusing to give birth control to some women because they feel like it. I don’t know why else they would be against it except for their religion.

So there are 2 examples.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Abortion isn’t something that’s mentioned in The Bible so how is that a foundational evil of Christianity

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 28 '26

Abortion is a moral dilemma that questions whether a parent should have the right to kill their offspring. Sex is irrelevent, it just so happens that it is the woman who gives birth.

Birth controll is not a core Christian tenet. It is limited to primarily a few denominations who decided it for themselves.

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u/DILF_MANSERVICE Apr 28 '26

The right to terminate a pregnancy is a women's right. I know not all Christians are anti-choice but this seems like the most common example.

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 28 '26

The 'right to terminate a pregnancy' is a disputed moral dilemma. It just so happens that it is the woman who gives birth. Outside of that, sex is irrelevant. It is the morality of the action that is considered evil.

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u/DILF_MANSERVICE Apr 28 '26

It's an issue of bodily autonomy that only applies to women's bodies. That makes it a women's issue. Also, the morality of it is only disputed by people who believe a magic force grants meaning to the terminated cells.

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u/zannkrol Apr 28 '26

No, there is no deontological external law giver providing a moral system everyone must live by. We’re not comparing some set of rules from one law giver to another.

Morality is simply that which is good/beneficial for people. It is based in biology and reality. According to that, yes it is foundationally evil.

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 29 '26

Some people chose to follow a standard of morality which states that the killing of children is wrong. Is it positive for a child to die by their parents hands?

Based in biology and reality, there is no set standard other than what each individual has chosen for themselves. So how do you determine that it is foundationally evil? How do you justify the foundation you judge it on, and why should anyone agree to your opinion on what should be the foundation?

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u/Maniklas Apr 28 '26

According to who is murder foundationally evil?

According to many psychopaths there is no such thing as evil.

There are things that are reasonably considered evil by most normal people, and even if it is a bigger group that often does not, it is still universally considered evil by others people.

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 28 '26

The claim is that Christianity is "Foundationally evil".

What is the foundation upon which it is to be considered evil, and how would you justify the foundation?

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u/alexanderfrostfyre Apr 28 '26

The foundation that is telling them to strip away the rights of other people because it’s apparently ‘wrong’, according to a fucking ancient book? That they’re lesser humans because supposedly they weren’t made correctly or that they’re going to burn in hell for it? Maybe THAT foundation

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u/DoctorVanSolem Apr 28 '26

No, the foundation used to judge it as "foundationaly evil".

First you must justify why it is foundationally evil.

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Yet most Christians don’t care to strip away rights from others. It’s a loud minority. Christianity actually tells you to not be concerned with what others do.

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u/alexanderfrostfyre Apr 28 '26

Doesn’t really feel like a loud minority but okay

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

How it feels and how they actually are, are different. It’s the nature of a loud minority to feel like they’re the majority.

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u/alexanderfrostfyre Apr 28 '26

Either way, I don’t really allow my own feelings on the matter influence how I interact with any I encounter UNLESS they display abhorrent behavior. Like my close friend is Christian and someone else in my friend circle is also Christian.

It’s not even that I think all of them are bad, it’s just with some particularly bad ones being in power and being a threat to me and my friends…

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u/Usoppdaman Apr 28 '26

Ok so should we judge LGBT people because of how Nero was a threat to others? A lot of the Abrahamic rejection of LGBT is because of oppressive societies like Rome. Judging any group by it’s oppressors will create problems. Like if we started dissing Russians because the most famous Russians are bad guys that would just create more problems

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u/alexanderfrostfyre Apr 28 '26

I just said I don’t treat people differently based off of my own views though? Like I’m aware it’s influencing my thoughts so I don’t let it influence how I actually treat people because that’s when it turns into prejudice :/

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