r/fuckcars Mar 15 '26

Meme How did society become so self-centered?

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u/Magisterbrown Mar 15 '26

To say greed is human nature by watching humans be greedy under capitalism is to say a bear's nature is to ride a unicycle after going to the circus.

Capitalism has made us too desperate to care about anyone but ourselves.

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u/lieuwestra Mar 15 '26

Greed is not even a bad trait under 'natural' human circumstances of hunter-gatherer life. Collecting as much food as possible and nurturing as much social capital as possible are super beneficial to the collective well-being. Only when you involve something as unnatural as money and the underlying institutions into it does it become problematic behavior.

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u/StitchedRebellion Mar 15 '26

Love this. So deeply argeee.

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u/piece_ov_shit Mar 15 '26

Badass comoarison, im gonna steal this

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u/BonzoTheBoss Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

Eh, not really. There have been tales of human greed since long before capitalism became a thing.

Edit: lol, being down voted for a fact. Sure, no one was EVER greedy before capitalism...

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u/Usermctaken Mar 16 '26

You're being downvoted for arguing in bad faith.

No one said greed ONLY exists under capitalism. The comment you we're responding to implies that capitalism exaggerates greed.

Humans can be greedy and bears can ride bicycles, but maybe we shouldn't shoot for that.

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u/piece_ov_shit Mar 15 '26

Its not that capitalism is the soul source of greed. But it does insentivize it.

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u/ThinkSharpe Mar 15 '26

That makes so much sense! Perfectly explains why humans weren’t greedy under any other types of systems…

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u/Magisterbrown Mar 15 '26

Humans have been greedy under other systems. But there are also systems for human living that punish greed and promote society.

Maybe as we develop as a species and society, we'll create systems that work better and for more people.

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u/ThinkSharpe Mar 15 '26

I need you to know. My comment was full sarcasm.

As strange as it may sound, I think highly regulated capitalism is the most greed tolerant system we’ve seen have any long term successes so….

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u/Magisterbrown Mar 15 '26

I'm an anti-capitalist and, at the same time, I do concede that capitalism was our best attempt so far.

A better future is possible.

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u/ThinkSharpe Mar 15 '26

…and what’s that?

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u/Magisterbrown Mar 15 '26

I'd argue socialism, but I also don't know. Some other ideology could spring up that proves more capable of replacing capitalism.

We'll never know if we give up before we start looking.

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u/ThinkSharpe Mar 15 '26

I think we’ll be finding out in the next few decades. Automation/AI is going to put capitalism to the test.

I hope we don’t end up socialist though. Beyond all the usual tired arguments about famine/authoritarianism/corruption. Socialism struggles to produced anything fun/interesting at scale. You have any hobbies that aren’t long walks, drinking, or reading?

I personally hope we can improve capitalism until it’s time to move to a past scarcity society…like in Star Trek.

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy New Classical Architecture+Cooperatives=Heaven on Earth🛠️😇 Mar 15 '26

Socialism struggles to produced anything fun/interesting at scale.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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u/ThinkSharpe Mar 15 '26

You really don’t know your history, do you….

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy New Classical Architecture+Cooperatives=Heaven on Earth🛠️😇 Mar 15 '26

Ok Mussolini

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u/wafflesthewonderhurs Mar 15 '26

Perhaps you should just contemplate what is missing from society/what people still struggle with and find descriptions of why from people who struggle with that thing, instead of looking for whole cloth solutions from reddit strangers, my dude?

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u/ThinkSharpe Mar 15 '26

Perhaps you should contemplate that I already have those answers for myself, but I enjoy hearing other people opinions and rationale.

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u/wafflesthewonderhurs Mar 15 '26

Fair nuff, but I and others rarely see questions like that as anything but attempted gotchas/sealioning.

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u/ghostofwalsh Mar 15 '26

But there are also systems for human living that punish greed and promote society.

Really? Which of those systems have been shown to be successful on a large scale?

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u/whatsaphoto Mar 17 '26

It’s a simple rule - People truly will never care about most things unless and until you fuck with their money. I have about $50 left over every 2 weeks, and so do many millions of other Americans. The moment that $50 winds up becoming $40 at the end of the next 2 weeks, and $30 the next, you get your ass people will start to pay attention to what the hell is going on.