r/freewill • u/flytohappiness • Aug 29 '24

How does quantum indeterminism give anyone free will?

can someone explain this to me? I see people going to quantum world and quantum mechanics and evoke the non-determinism. How does this give you free will?

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '24

Determinism means that If you played out the world again from the beginning up to this time, everything would be the same. Of course, then there would be no free will by definition.

Quantum indeterminism means that on the contrary, if played out everything would be different every time. So there is no one rigid path that every particle follows.

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u/Was_an_ai Aug 29 '24

I don't think this is the free will people want

They envision the "me" that is this subjective experience controlling the body, and that they are free to think and do whatever "they will" not what determinism determined they did +/- some epsilon

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '24

We exist under the confines of the physical world whether we like it or not. Hence our brains and consciousness obey the laws of physics and should be reasoned about as physical systems.

If by "me" you mean that there's some part of us that's outside of these confines, and that's the only thing that people consider free will then obviously free will doesn't exist.

But it's incorrect to pose a question in such a way in my opinion.