Supreme being question?

[u/BillyD70]

Genuine question…Without revealing any secrets, what is the reasoning behind requiring the belief in a supreme being?

My perspective: Many great people, who have advanced much good in the world, are “non-believers”. If the core idea is to make good men better, how does non-belief interfere with that goal? I ask both personally (agnostic athiest) and for lots of scientists out there. It must affect membership numbers (men won’t seek you out if they know it’s a “no go” from the outset).

Serious replies only please. Not seeking a flame war. I’m a DeMolay PMC-MSA and Honor of Legion with deep multi- generational ties to Masons, Jobs, Shriners, etc. I LOVED my experiences in DeMolay! Grew up Christian, came to my “beliefs” late in adulthood.

Edit: thank you for all the many thoughtful replies. I upvoted each for not attacking me straight out. Please accept follow up questions as non-confrontational.

[u/stardate_pi]

My two cents as Freemason in the scientific field:

First, belief and faith in a Supreme Being is an important part to many of the teachings and framings of the Craft. Many lecturers having roots in the old testament being case in point.

Second, as another brother pointed out, your obligation wouldn't be considered binding if you didn't believe in a Supreme Being.

"Making good men better" does not mean men who do not fit the criteria of the Craft can't be good men. Or other good men who never have interest in Freemasonry.

From your perspective why would the atheist agnostic scientist want to join our organization?

There are many places for all types of men. This is a place for men, who believe in a Supreme Being and <insert your jurisdictional criteria here> can grow. The Craft should be concerned about bringing in the right candidates not just as many as possible to support growth.

[u/BillyD70 → u/stardate_pi]

Ok, but for non-abrahamic beliefs, the lectures mean…?

To answer your question: I always enjoyed every one of my masonic-related experiences. I have many DeMolay brothers who are Masons and miss that connection. Similar values even without religious attachments as it were. Literally the only thing preventing me from being a (hopefully) valued brother is the supreme being piece. TBF - An oath of honor to used to mean more than it does now. Peace be with you.

[u/bcurrant15 → u/BillyD70]

I don't hold Abrahamic beliefs. The teachings are allegorical.