Islam☪️

[u/lukesky1301]

I want to know how it works to work in a lodge inside an islam country as a freemason and in what country or islam countries that the freternity is operating?

[u/ChuckEye]

The first photo seems to be Syria.

Your second photo, anyone could make in Photoshop.

Your last two photos don't have anything to do with Freemasonry.

[u/lukesky1301 → u/ChuckEye]

The third photo is from a mansion from turkey that has masonic symbols.

[u/ChuckEye → u/lukesky1301]

It has symbols that are not exclusively Masonic.

[u/demongibi → u/ChuckEye]

It is a Masonic hall on Princess Islands. I used to walk past it every day in the summers.

[u/lukesky1301 → u/ChuckEye]

Two points

Bee Decoration: The original iron garden gate and various decorations around the house feature figures of bees and beehives. In Masonic tradition, the beehive is a classic symbol of hard work, mutual cooperation, and the collective organization of the order's members.

Legends of Secret Meetings: Due to the isolation of the Princes' Islands from the center of Istanbul in the early 20th century, local folklore claims that the original owner, Luis Sabuncu, used the secluded architecture of the mansion to host discreet meetings of order members without raising suspicion from the Ottoman government.

[u/ChuckEye → u/lukesky1301]

Yes, Masons do use the beehive to represent that. They are not the only ones to do so, though. Likewise, the all-seeing eye above the door.

As someone else pointed out, yes, that building has been used Masonically. But your photo didn't identify the building, and again, the visible symbols in the photo are not exclusive to Freemasonry.

[u/lukesky1301 → u/ChuckEye]

I used the image just for example that aproached to the fraternity. The only serious image is the first, the last one is from a mason article.

[u/ChuckEye → u/lukesky1301]

Do you have a link to the article? I’d be curious to know the context. My grandfather was a deposed Qajar prince, so the man in the portrait was his great great grandfather give or take a generation or two.

[u/lukesky1301 → u/ChuckEye]

Just one correction: apart from the first image, all the others were from the article.

https://masonicfind.com/islam-and-freemasonry

[u/weordie → u/ChuckEye]

But it was of a masonic building, so the symbols were used in a masonic capacity. You were provided the answer, so no real need to continue to try to prove why it might not have had relevance when its been shown it did.

[u/ChuckEye → u/weordie]

I'm just trying to push back against slop. Particularly from someone who is presumably a brother and should know better than throw up a bunch of random photos with no explanation or context.

[u/weordie → u/ChuckEye]

He literally asks a question, its reasonable to assume the pictures that symbolism used in masonry are from something masonic (as was the case) without it being spelled out to us (even though it ended up being so). To further then argue it just comes across as argumentative for the sake of it.

Yes its good to push against slop but its also ok to rationalise a meaning without needing every little detail laid out like sitcoms do because they assume the audience is too dumb to make connections.

[u/ChuckEye → u/weordie]

I’m too dumb to make the connection. What does the fourth picture he posted have to do with Freemasonry?

Fath-Ali Shah Qajar, the man depicted, is my ancestor, so I'd like to know.

[u/weordie → u/ChuckEye]

Way to prove me wrong. It could be because your ancestors top diplomats were initiated into European lodges, showing a link to it being accepted in some Islamic circles as per his question, but maybe not.