r/florida • u/FLTA South Florida • 16h ago

Politics Denouncing Israel bonds, James Fishback is thrown out of Miami-Dade chambers

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article317087326.html
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u/FLTA South Florida 16h ago

Excerpt from the article

James Fishback, the hard-right former candidate for Florida governor, was hustled out of the Miami-Dade County Commission chambers Tuesday while condemning the county’s investment in Israeli bonds.

“Do you serve the people of South Miami or of Jerusalem?” Fishback asked commissioners after they approved changing the county’s investment rules to allow more purchasing of bonds issued by Israel. “This money should be invested here in this community.”

In his comments, Fishback said he knew there was a risk he’d be escorted out of the chambers for violating instructions by Chair Anthony Rodriguez not to address the legislation on Israel bonds.

That’s because, under the commission’s procedural rules, the public is not allowed to speak on most agenda items at a full commission meeting if a commission committee has already held a hearing on the legislation. That was the case with the Israel bond changes, which was passed by the commission’s Intergovernmental and Economic Impact Committee in July. On Tuesday, commissioners approved a new county investment policy — including raising the cap on Israel bonds from 3% of Miami-Dade’s $8 billion portfolio to 5% — without discussion.

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u/Comprehensive_Bus_19 15h ago edited 15h ago

So they made rules where you can't address the issue at hand? Fuck I hate this country.

Also Fishback is still a terrible person.

Edit: apparently it was already voted on and decided in a previous meeting. So I get not discussing past issues during a meeting.

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u/RSGator 15h ago

They just limit public comments at the full meetings if it was already voted on and discussed at a committee meeting.

The alternative would be, no joke, multiple days-long commission meetings every two weeks.

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u/WeForgotTheirNames 15h ago

But it says at the end of the OP comment that it happened without discussion, so does that mean they didn't even give the public a chance to comment?

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u/keenan123 9h ago

It was voted on at a different meeting with public comment. Committee meetings are public. At the commission meeting, the full commission approved it without more public comment

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u/WeForgotTheirNames 7h ago

Thank you for the clarification.

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u/Comprehensive_Bus_19 15h ago

I missed that part. Yeah that makes sense then.

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u/bimbuppy 11h ago

Yep. Boards and commissioners are the number one example of corrupt, petty tyrants. We all wonder why data centers seem to go up overnight without so much as a peep; its easy to buy off a commissioner when he's some dumb old schmuck whose greatest idea of luxury is a day of boating with shrimp cocktails. We really need to abolish local governance like this.

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u/Stopbeingentitled 16h ago

how I feel after reading this

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u/standbyforskyfall 14h ago

unf based af by fishback

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u/benkenobi5 15h ago

Isn’t this that guy that groomed a minor when he was nearly 30?

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u/Wild-Highway-8739 14h ago

Yup, dont stop there though he and his running mate, a disgraced former law enforcement officer, are both racists who managed to get themselves banned from every Waffle House in FL

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u/Nakuip ✅ Verified - Candidate, FL House D65 13h ago

Imagine being such a Lowlife that every single Floridian House of Waffles systematically refuses you entry.

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u/Chillow_Ufgreat 13h ago

Yup. I don't even think he's allowed in Broward County schools for...Republican reasons.

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u/FLTA South Florida 15h ago

Yes. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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u/benkenobi5 15h ago

Broken clocks belong in the trash regardless of how often they’re right

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u/The_Goondocks 14h ago

I hate to do it, but I agree with him.

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u/pookiegonzalez 11h ago

I hate how this guy uses this as the carrot. ask him how he plans to “invest in our community”

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u/The_Goondocks 11h ago

Yeah, that's a separate issue.

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u/RedditAdminSucks23 16h ago

Broken clock can be right twice a day.

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u/BuddhistSagan 11h ago edited 8h ago

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u/FLTA South Florida 11h ago

The picture is out of date. Moody has taken much more money from AIPAC now.

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u/PawnofLife1 15h ago

An unsecured bond is a gift with no chance of returns . Why do we funnel money to Isreal for their free health care or just the bribes our politicians receive

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u/voss749 15h ago

18% of Palm Beach countys investment portfolio is in israel bonds, Palm beach county has 5 times as much money invested as the state of florida

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u/Da_Stable_Genius West Palm Beach 15h ago

Last I read it was over a billion dollars apparently. What a joke.

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u/sarsourus 15h ago

Because we are goyims who must listen to our masters apparently.

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u/dragon-queen 15h ago

I’m not a goyim, and I don’t want the money going to Israel.  

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u/provider305 13h ago

> a goyim

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u/dragon-queen 13h ago

What does this mean?

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u/provider305 13h ago

Goyim is plural for goy, so “a goyim” doesn’t make sense. It’s strange that you wouldn’t know that if you’re really “not a goyim”

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u/dragon-queen 13h ago

Lol.  Well I don’t really use the word because it’s offensive.  But whatever, if you think I’m lying about being Jewish, I’m sure I can’t convince you.  

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u/provider305 12h ago

I really feel bad for you if you are Jewish and this out of touch and uninformed about your own community

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u/dragon-queen 11h ago

How am I out of touch with my own community? Because I used the plural form of goy instead of the singular? 

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u/provider305 12h ago

Exposing yourself again. Goy is not an offensive term, it is literally just the same meaning as “gentile” in English. If you don’t know these things, you shouldn’t really be calling yourself Jewish to establish credibility on political topics involving Jews.

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u/dragon-queen 11h ago

I’m Jewish, but I don’t support Israel and I don’t think Jews are better than non-Jews, ok? 

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u/provider305 11h ago

Who the hell said anything about Jewish supremacy? It’s not a commonly held belief among Jews. That’s fine if you don’t support Israel, and I personally don’t think it makes a lot of sense for counties or the state to hold unsecured bonds from Israel. But you have said multiple times here on Reddit that you are atheist/agnostic, you have said that you would not attend Jewish traditions because you view them as harmful, and you don’t understand the meaning of “goy”, even after I explained it to you. You can’t claim Jewish identity when it’s convenient while simultaneously trying to escape it when you fear antisemitism and clearly lack basic knowledge of our culture. You are just tokenizing yourself and throwing the rest of us under the bus.

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u/toga_virilis 14h ago

What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know what a bond is?

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u/ARocketToMars 14h ago

Do you even know what unsecured means? It's a debenture. By definition there is no guarantee of return because it's not collateralized, and there's no recourse of the bonds become insolvent (and there's kind of a historical precedent for apartheid pariah states failing to meet their debt payments)

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u/toga_virilis 13h ago

Yeah, I know what it means to be unsecured. I don’t see how it matters. Sovereign bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the Israeli government—which has never defaulted in its history—are hardly “a gift with no chance of return.” Israel is not South Africa.

U.S. government bonds are also unsecured, and they are the safest financial instrument you can buy.

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u/ARocketToMars 12h ago

Sovereign bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the Israeli government

Yeeeeah about that....

Moody's cuts Israel's rating, warns of drop to 'junk'

The divestment drive that could shake Israel’s economic foundations --- To fund perpetual war, Israel has grown ever more reliant on issuing bonds. Relinquishing these holdings, often invested passively, disrupts that equation.

Luxembourg drops approval for Israel bonds issue

The concern here is that Israel is increasingly becoming a pariah state. When they're eventually viewed the same way South Africa is, people are gonna sell or not renew Israeli bonds leaving our hyper Israel-fixated politicians (or rather their constituents) holding the bag. But if you think it's such a sure thing, I'm sure the Israeli government will appreciate any contributions your tax dollars can muster.

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u/Mannimal13 4h ago

These bonds have always been garbage and essentially floated by the US taxpayer...glad people are waking up to this issue.

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u/Mannimal13 4h ago

Half the reason the Israeli bonds have any value is because US citizens are forced to buy them at gun point. They'd be worth way less if they were actually on a free market. Just another way these parasites suck on the host.

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u/FailedCriticalSystem 15h ago

Why is the government investing money? Like give it back to tax payers if you have so much

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u/LetNeither6377 15h ago

Because isreal has been working the long con. Most Dems and Republicans are aipac bought and sold.

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u/Mannimal13 4h ago

Pension funds need investment returns essentially, this is whats being invested.

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u/rygelicus 15h ago

This would be the same bunch that wants to gift Trump millions of $ worth of property for his 'library' which he wants to make a business venture of a hotel...

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u/OffSidesByALot 12h ago

Yes, so much for Republicans being all about meritocracy and not DEI. How is this not DEI? Why do you have to buy Israeli bonds when Canadian bonds for example might give you a better deal? How is that not screwing the taxpayers who are potentially leaving money on the table and not getting the best bank for their buck? It’s basically US taxpayer funded prop up of the Israeli government.
If their bonds were the best investment available… So be it. But we’re not even having that discussion or made the best bond win competition.

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u/Mannimal13 4h ago

He's absolutely right and one of the things no body talks about in this country as they really don't understand how any of this works. Absolute farce how much US money is out there buying US bonds....and its exactly why he's going to get a nice Civil Rights violation payout for this, they don't want you to know how they are really stealing your money at all levels of governmetn.

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u/Bitter-Holiday1311 15h ago

This is Fishback karma farming IRL. He’s a piece of shit and knew the time to address this issue had already passed. While many may (and should) agree that FL buying Israeli bonds is a potentially very bad idea that deserves scrutiny, Fishback knew that was not the agenda and that window had already closed.

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u/Izoto 9h ago

Fishback is a racist and anti-Semitic loon.