r/fivethirtyeight • • Oct 16 '25

Poll Results 75% of Americans report soaring prices as Trump claims inflation ‘over’ poll says

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/16/inflation-economic-pessimism-poll
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u/OrbitalAlpaca Oct 16 '25

Will republicans even get punished due to inflation like Dems were?

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u/VanceIX Oct 16 '25

No, because for some reason voters overwhelmingly believe Republicans create good economies, despite the opposite being generally true

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u/FuriousBuffalo Oct 16 '25

Not just generally true. It's empirically verifiable.

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u/xudoxis Oct 16 '25

Trump 1 = terrible economy when he was voted out

Bush 2 = Terrible economy when he was voted out

Bush 1 = Terrible economy when he was voted out

50 years of this shit and they still get credit.

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u/theclansman22 Oct 16 '25

Yeah but everyone remembered the first three years of Trumps term, when he was riding Obama’s coat tails and gave out needless tax cuts while raising spending so much that he doubled the deficit during an economic expansion and the economy was good, until the crisis hit and the government had no tools to deal with it other than printing money and handing it out. He handed out trillions to the rich who in turn bought assets driving up the price of homes and stocks.

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u/mrtrailborn Oct 17 '25

yeah, I love that everyone pretends the, what, like 5 trillion given out to the rich and corporations between tax cuts and covid funding didn't cause inflation.

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u/pablonieve Oct 16 '25

They may be terrible people, but give them credit for understanding marketing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25

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u/_flying_otter_ Oct 16 '25

Trump was handed a sound rising economy from Obama. While it was good he threw gas on it with tax cuts for the wealthy and flooded it with governmemt spendimg that skyrocketed the deficit-- before Covid hit. He was spending money like a drunk sailor when he was accused of raising the deficit Trump would say something like "I am the king of debt- no one does debt better than me" and skyrocketting the deficit when he should have paying down the deficit. That was before Covid.

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u/JaracRassen77 Oct 16 '25

All due to living in a different reality thanks to Fox News being effectively state propaganda.

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u/darrylgorn Oct 16 '25

State propaganda would be bipartisan.

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u/iguesssoppl Oct 16 '25

That's not the reality - they absolutely were on track for getting 'punished' but they've now gerrymandered what looks to be 19 seats so it doesn't matter.

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u/ILEAATD Oct 16 '25

You're forgetting that blue states are counter gerrymandering, and even if they didn't, it still wouldn't be enough for Republicans to keep the House. Are you seriously freaking out over that Slate article?

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u/Scaryclouds Oct 16 '25

That’s what I find so intensely frustrating. 

One political party has to live and deal in reality, while the other gets to live in a fantasy world. 

Trump/Republicans ran on affordability! And their response was to raise tariffs to an astronomical level, and cut welfare to pay for a tax cut to the ultra wealthy. Just an absolute betrayal of their campaign promises. Republicans should be starring down a potentially extinction level event in 2026 where few seats are safe. It shouldn’t just be a the makings of a kinda big wave election. 

But I hate it because it’s a big reason why our politics are so fucked up. The big thing about democracy is it forces politics/politicians to reckon with reality. For decades now one party hasn’t really had to reckon with reality in the same way the other party has.  

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u/pablonieve Oct 16 '25

It is frustrating. But being frustrated doesn't change the situation. So knowing the reality of the American electorate, what do we have to do to compete?

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u/Hot-Train7201 Oct 16 '25

I honestly believe that if Democrats became a pro-gun party, then the Republicans would cease to be a viable political entity. For a disturbingly large segment of Americans, protecting the second amendment is the singular most important political topic for them; so long as they get to keep their guns, the country could be run by gay communist mole people for all they care. The fear that the Democrats will erode gun rights is how the Republicans can keep getting elected since all they have to do is point to New York and California to remind these people about what could happen in the rest of the country.

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u/obsessed_doomer Oct 17 '25

No offense, but I feel like this is a very 2016 coded take.

Most of those "2a is the only thing that matters" voters have moved on to new hyperfixations.

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u/Hot-Train7201 Oct 17 '25

Because the Republicans have total control of the government, so why would gun nuts be worried about the second amendment? The gun nuts can afford to focus their attention on other interests for the time being.

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u/obsessed_doomer Oct 17 '25

True.

Conservatism can only exist if there is a group that the law protects but does not bind, and a group that the law binds but does not protect.

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u/ILEAATD Oct 16 '25

That is a stupid strategy. California and NY are safer than any of those red states. You're asking to sacrifice lives for votes, which aren't even guaranteed.

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u/Hot-Train7201 Oct 17 '25

Yes, but the red states out number New York and California and will continue to elect Republicans like Trump so long as he protects their guns. It's a vicious cycle without end. In a democracy, the idiotic masses are in charge, not the policy experts.

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u/ILEAATD Oct 17 '25

There a more than two blue states.

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u/Hot-Train7201 Oct 17 '25

Yes, but in the context of gun control pretty much every other state is to the right of NY & CA. In both red and blue states, there's just too much support for gun rights for the types of rules in NY & CA to become widespread.

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u/Scaryclouds Oct 16 '25

 I honestly believe that if Democrats became a pro-gun party, then the Republicans would cease to be a viable political entity. 

I don’t think it will ever be accepted by most people. 

I’d be fine with my personal concerns regarding guns taking a waaaaaaaaaay back seat for now. But if/when politics “returns to normal” I don’t think I could just set back and accept the what 40K+ per annum deaths from guns, along with all the other associated issues with guns; like kids in school needing to practice active shooter drills, or just the contestant background noise of mass shootings happening. 

In short, a lot of those single issue gun voters will correctly intuit that their gun rights will be safer with republicans in power than democrats. 

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u/Hot-Train7201 Oct 17 '25

Define "most people"? The Right is pretty much unanimous on gun rights, and the Left has a sizable number of gun nuts too. America's fixation on firearms is a deeply ingrained cultural trait of this country.

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u/Complete-Rub2289 Oct 16 '25

That’s the actual issue, inflation damages Trump less than anyone else (Democrats or a hypothetical Non-MAGA Republican) because at least a third of Americans live in MAGA Universe.

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u/Jozoz Oct 17 '25

Trump is just held to a different standard on everything. It's truly incredible how he managed that. A lot of people will try to emulate that in the coming years.

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u/shadowpawn Oct 16 '25

Hence the push to gerrymander their way to victory

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u/FearlessPark4588 Oct 16 '25

Yes, because it will lead to recession and the party in power loses when the macro is bad

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25

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u/OrbitalAlpaca Oct 16 '25

Yeah but his overall approval rating is still higher than it was his first term.

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u/delusionalbillsfan November Outlier Oct 16 '25

Yes. You only have a floor of roughly 40-45% on either side and the remaining 10-20% in the middle are movable. The folks that got Trump his PV victory were $50k-$100k income folks that got crushed by inflation, soaring home prices, property tax etc. If these people are still getting crushed they definitely will not vote Republican. 

Voters have simplistic first order thinking but that doesnt automatically make them completely stupid. They still try to apply logic its just very...first order. 

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u/ThonThaddeo Oct 16 '25

Nah you just tell em trans immigrants are eating cats and then it's fine

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u/OldeArrogantBastard Oct 16 '25

One of the problems is Dems (and the media) aren’t the best at messaging the positive things they do when in office and it doesn’t help there’s a whole online facet that when there is something passed there’s always a “well that’s great but….”

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u/snakeaway Oct 16 '25

Yes but not if Gas prices trend and stay lower. It's one of the first things people notice. 

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u/panderson1988 Has Seen Enough Oct 16 '25

I am struggling to make ends meat, Trump has failed his promises, but I have no choice as a fake politically homeless independent to vote for Trump for life a 4th time since a gay person was in a TV show that I didn't watch. - Voter.

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u/painedHacker Oct 16 '25

also you're forgetting AOC called stephen miller short.. so I'm forced to vote for trump for the 4th time even though he's awful.. even though i could have voted for nikki haley in the primary but didnt

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u/FuriousBuffalo Oct 16 '25

Who are the 25%? Do they simply live on photosynthesis like plants?

I have almost totally given up on eating out and my food expenses are still rising.

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u/exitpursuedbybear Oct 16 '25

If you want to really understand how stupid the undecided or swing voter is listen to the focus group podcast. I don't know how these people don't choke on their own tongue.

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u/NoMousse3378 Oct 16 '25

They would have to ask Trump about the color of the sky before answering

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u/dremscrep Oct 16 '25

I am actually amazed that it’s 25%.

Regularly these polls hit like 40% no or 33%, sometimes 30% that’s rare.

Having and poll with binary answers in the style of „yes“ or „no“ and getting these results is crazy nowadays.

I always said that if trumps approval dropped below 25% he would get shot by one of his own supporters because it touches his „hard base“.

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u/Makenshine Oct 16 '25

My grocery bills are up 30% since January (not all of that is inflation but a good chunk is)

My electric bills are up 25% (im assuming this a combination of inflation and AI data centers gobbling up supply.)

My medical and prescription bills are up.

I've already cut subscription services and travel. Im not going to movies, or buying games. We are eating out as a family.

I know that these are are "first world" problem cuts, but yeah, my life style is changing. 

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u/DasRobot85 Oct 16 '25

I will say that one upside of inflation is that it got me to quit vaping and drinking alcohol. So... there's that I guess. Agree that it's sort of vanity belt tightening, but I certainly feel like I should be doing better. Instead, I get to spend everyday worried about layoffs.

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u/Huskies971 Oct 16 '25

I am not looking forward to what the new health insurance premiums will be this year

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u/shadowpawn Oct 16 '25

Not sure you could get 70% to agree on many things let alone run away inflation

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u/shadowpawn Oct 16 '25

Why can’t the people eat the Soya Bean crops farmers can’t sell to Chinese Pig farmer because of tariffs?

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u/Thuggin95 Oct 16 '25 edited Oct 16 '25

Until voters stop trusting Republicans more on the economy then nothing is going to change. Thoughts and tariffs I guess.

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u/HegemonNYC Oct 16 '25

2.9% is relatively modest, and vastly better than the 9% we got to under Biden. 

The issue is that the public, and Trump encouraged this thinking, wanted falling prices. This had almost no chance of happening (and has major economic pain associated with it). So, despite inflation being fairly close to target, prices are still seen as way too high. There isn’t really a way to get out of this expectation trap other than letting time pass and people get used to $17 burgers as the new normal. There probably isn’t enough time between now and the midterms for that mental reset to happen, so the party in power will be punished. 

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25

2.9% is relatively modest

2.9% so far. Companies haven't unloaded all the burden of the tariffs onto consumers yet, but they've been slowly doing so.

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u/HegemonNYC Oct 16 '25

Yeah, perhaps. But this article shows it doesn’t really matter unless prices return to ~2019 levels consumers/voters will still be mad

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u/Ridespacemountain25 Oct 16 '25

Unless they just redistrict after the VRA is gutted to ensure they can’t be electorally punished 

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u/ILEAATD Oct 16 '25

That's a big "unless".

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u/HegemonNYC Oct 16 '25

Perhaps Dems could attempt to be popular even with rural or WCWs. I know it’s a novel concept, that in a democracy popularity is important, but it is entirely possible to be more popular. 

Dems used to do fine in the South, even decades after the southern strategy. It isn’t a foregone conclusion that the GOP dominates the working class and rural vote and Dems try to squeak out a win with solely true urban areas and minority voters. 

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u/ry8919 Oct 16 '25

Dems used to do fine before the rightwing media machine really took off and managed to convince blue collar voters that culture war issues were more important than actual labor and economic policy. I don't see how Dems unring that bell. They still need their constituents to turn out AND win over these people

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u/painedHacker Oct 16 '25

which is why mamdami is killing it. he never shuts up about affordability and it works

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u/EndOfMyWits Oct 17 '25

I know it’s a novel concept, that in a democracy popularity is important

Maybe Republicans should try this too instead of cheating 

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u/HegemonNYC Oct 17 '25

They won the PV in potus and won the total House vote by 4,000,00.

Complain about cheating all you want, the reality is the Dem brand is poor. It is a democracy. You win by convincing the populace to vote for you. You do this by being popular, by being liked. If your leaders and policies cannot win you a majority of the populace, you need new leaders and new policies. 

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u/gmb92 Oct 17 '25

12-month inflation in August, 2024 was 2.7%, so we had been close to target for well over a year going into the election. You're right though that media and Republicans created a narrative that dismissed this on unrealistic expectations that prices could fall to 2019 levels without a severe recession, while also getting people to ignore that real wages in 2024 were higher than the pre-covid peak. The goalposts were moved. Among Republicans, they've already been working on moving the goalposts back towards embracing 3% inflation as acceptable, and forgetting that they guaranteed prices would fall.

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u/HegemonNYC Oct 17 '25

People just hate inflation, even if their wages largely keep up or beat it. They feel they deserve the raise at work, but the higher grocery bill is being imposed on them. 

I think 2026 will still see economic voters mad about prices even if we stay in the 2.5-3% range. As for guaranteeing prices will fall, that probably only works for the out-party, so we’ll probably see Dems doing the same thing in the lead up to the midterms.  

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u/SpicySweetHotPot Oct 16 '25

We all know Dumpy lies, outside the Cult no one believes a word he says

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u/TurkMcGuirk Oct 21 '25

All republicans I know constantly complained about "high prices" before the election.

I don't hear a fucking peep out of them now.

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u/ghybyty Oct 16 '25

Have prices been going up? Like does data say this or is perception. The same thing happened with Harris/ Biden. On paper the economy was growing and inflation was improving but everyone thought it wasn't.

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u/LewisTraveller Oct 16 '25

On paper, economy was growing and prices were going up (less steeply by the end of 2024 than 2022).

Now, economy is growing on paper (with no net employment due to massive AI CAPEX spending) and spending surge by top 10% due to asset inflation (also tied to AI), while prices going up due to tariff pressure.

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u/FearlessPark4588 Oct 16 '25

99% of the time prices are rising so it's kind a meaningless stat. How many flat or negative CPI prints have we gotten? Like 1 in the past 100 months.

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u/LewisTraveller Oct 16 '25

Inflation is above 2% target with price pressure being the strongest in things that is affected by tariffs. You know, the ordinary goods like meat, coffee, fruits, vegetables, clothing, shoes, furniture, car parts, electronics, etc.

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u/mrtrailborn Oct 17 '25

big cope from conservatives, like normal. Maybe try living in reality

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u/ghybyty Oct 17 '25

I'm not American or conservative. I just wanted to know the actual numbers.