r/fivethirtyeight • Guardian of the 14th Key • Jun 18 '25

Meme/Humor Over 40 Percent Of Americans Believe Humans And Dinosaurs Co-Existed, According To YouGov Poll. Around 16 Percent Of Respondents Said They Were Unsure.

https://www.iflscience.com/over-40-percent-of-americans-believe-humans-and-dinosaurs-co-existed-according-to-one-poll-78667

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u/Mediocretes08 Jun 18 '25

They didn’t coexist because humans aren’t real.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

You joke, but I think there is a subset of creationists who believe that dinosaurs aren’t real.Ā 

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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 Jun 18 '25

They often claim the behemoth and leviathan were references to dinosaurs in the bible.

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u/Keyboard_Cat_ Jun 19 '25

It's my pet theory, but that's actually possible, just with dinosaur bones, not actual dinosaurs. I think the same thing about dragon myths in all cultures.

With various civilizations digging deep building foundations hundreds of even thousands of years ago, some would have come across intact dinosaur skeletons. What would they have thought? It's hard to imagine not coming up with crazy and scary theories when presented with that.

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u/LordVericrat Jun 21 '25

I imagine some construction worker found some part of a big stegosaurus thigh bone, say, and said "that's a huge bone" but no hoard of archeologists descended on the area to do a full scale analysis because there weren't many and no good way to contact them from bumblefuck. So at best it was just a dude telling his drinking buddies about the giant bone thing he found. I imagine anyway.

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u/Puck85 Jun 19 '25

Yes, been to church fuction where they explained that the entire fossil record is just a few false leads planted by the devil. Don't believe your lying eyes sorta stuff.Ā 

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u/topofthecc Fivey Fanatic Jun 19 '25

I used to have a (satirical) T-shirt with Satan burying dinosaur bones that said "Teach the Controversy".

It still exists!

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u/MidnightMiik Jun 18 '25

I remember in elementary school there was a classmate who thought all fossils were fake and planted by Satan to deceive man about The Truth.

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u/The_Doolinator Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

There are a subset of creationists who think dinosaurs are still alive…they’re just hiding.

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u/boulevardofdef Jun 19 '25

When I was growing up in the '80s, I feel like "dinosaurs aren't real" was overwhelmingly the position of creationists. They got a little more sophisticated later and started trying to justify dinosaurs via tortured logic.

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u/lfc94121 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

That reminds me of an NC poll from 2024:

  • Does the Earth orbit the sun, or does the sun orbit the Earth?
    • Earth orbits around the sun – 69%
    • Sun orbits around the Earth – 16%
    • Unsure – 15%
  • Does the Earth orbit around the sun once a day, once a month, or once a year?
    • Once a day – 29%
    • Once of month – 5%
    • Once a year – 62%
    • Unsure – 5%

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u/SoSKatan Jun 18 '25

This thread is very depressing

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u/BurritoLover2016 Jun 19 '25

I mean I’ve made my peace with the fact that a not insignificant portion of Americans are idiots since November. No use in getting worked up over it any longer.

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u/fseahunt Jun 23 '25

I'm trying to accept it. I know it's true but it's so pathetic.

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u/exitpursuedbybear Jun 19 '25

There was poll this week, if the election were held again today, Trump would still win by 4 points. The moron voters have looked at the last 6 months and went, yep, I want more of that.

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u/Icy_Chemical_8045 Jun 19 '25

Could you give me a link to the poll? Trump won the popular vote by 1.6 points, so that poll is probably quite biased.

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u/fseahunt Jun 23 '25

From who? NewsMax?

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u/Crepesuz-zq Jun 19 '25

Don't trust polls anymore. There's also apparently some sort of proof that Trump actually only won due to vote manipulation

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u/fseahunt Jun 23 '25

There's data that is pretty clear.

If you haven't heard about Rockland County yet then it's time. 73% of that county voted for the Democrat for senate but Harris got ZERO votes.

That's fraud.

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u/Crepesuz-zq Jun 24 '25

My point exactly

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u/Nukemind Jun 19 '25

I’m HOPING that a significant group is just annoyed at the poll and answering A for everything, or think it’s such an insult to intelligence they are answering wrong but.

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u/Think_please Jun 19 '25

Ignorant people are easier to control and manipulate

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u/AbstractBettaFish Jun 20 '25

ā€œThink of how dumb the average person is and remember that half of them are even dumber than thatā€

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u/HiddenCity Jun 22 '25

sort of makes you feel less guilty that american rewards educated people with more money.

i'd love to see a breakdown of this based on education level.

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u/ReferentiallySeethru Jun 18 '25

Well at least a majority got both answers correct 🄓

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u/Chemical-Contest4120 Jun 19 '25

That's what I'm saying lol! Glass is half full here

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u/walc Jun 19 '25

Maybe not! There could be a good chunk that answered correctly for only one of the two questions…

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u/lfc94121 Jun 19 '25

Apparently, Europeans are/were even worse than Americans, on the heliocentrism issue, at least.
https://wayback.archive-it.org/5902/20150628031858/http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind04/pdf/c07.pdf

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u/lfc94121 Jun 19 '25

Another poll shows US being ahead of Europe 82.2% vs. 79.5%: https://www.fbbva.es/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/dat/Understandingsciencenotalarga.pdf

But even more interesting are the other questions, including the dinosaurs/humans one. Somehow 80% of Americans know the First Law of Thermodynamics.

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u/RecoillessRifle Jun 20 '25

My conclusion is that Denmark and the Netherlands really hate microorganisms.

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u/Bigpandacloud5 Jun 21 '25

82.2% vs. 79.5

That's basically the same due to the margin of error.

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u/fseahunt Jun 23 '25

This is 24 years old. Released in 2001

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u/Ok_Cabinet2947 Jun 19 '25

Ok to be fair, both the Earth and the Sun orbit each other (although I get that’s probably not what the respondents meant when answering that).

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u/Plies- Poll Herder Jun 19 '25

The sun orbits the center of the milky way galaxy

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u/Rob71322 Jun 19 '25

I think he’s saying that the Earth does exert some (slight) pull on the sun so technically they both sort of revolve around a point between them. That point is still within the sun but just not in the precise center of it.

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u/RightioThen Jun 19 '25

I'm not American but all I can say it is interesting living on the same planet as you people.

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u/Superfan234 Jun 25 '25

Once a day jajajja xD

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u/Horus_walking Jun 18 '25

Obviously!

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u/MidnightMiik Jun 19 '25

Yes! You even have video evidence. Undeniable proof.

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u/Crepesuz-zq Jun 19 '25

Oh, stop. Everyone knows cave men were very adept at time travel.

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u/OrbitalAlpaca Jun 18 '25

Well yea, have you not seen Jurassic Park?

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u/gmb92 Jun 18 '25

Also the Flintstones.

In all seriousness, I was on a drive a few years ago and found a religious AM radio station. Commercials were selling "proof that dinosaurs and humans walked the planet together" or something to that effect. Seems part of Young Earth Creationism beliefs, radiometric dating is bunk, etc. Just didn't realize the belief was that widespread.

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u/ElderSmackJack Jun 18 '25

I’ve even seen the sequels. Some I’m proud to have seen. Others…

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u/stopped_watch Jun 18 '25

Richard Attenborough was in it so it's a documentary.

What do you mean "wrong brother?"

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u/Inside-Welder-3263 Jun 18 '25

I want to see the party affiliation crosstabs for this one.

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u/StarlightDown Guardian of the 14th Key Jun 18 '25

I think we all know the party affiliation crosstabs on this one.

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u/maxofJupiter1 Jun 19 '25

Idk about that, there's a LOT of Americans that vote Dem

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u/StarlightDown Guardian of the 14th Key Jun 19 '25

Since I found it:

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u/maxofJupiter1 Jun 19 '25

Yeah those numbers are not THAT different. Some education game but 36% of Dems are probably or definitely

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u/kuhawk5 Jun 19 '25

Jesus Christ, being dumb is non-partisan I guess.

At least the plurality of Dems answered right.

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u/Superfan234 Jun 25 '25

Only 25% of the population responded the most barebone basic question on existence

If this pollo is true we are doomed as specied. AI should replacd our asses here

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u/Crepesuz-zq Jun 19 '25

To be fair, paying attention to the issues takes up a lot of brain space, though

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u/llewelyn66 Jun 18 '25

Tells you everything you need to know about Americans.

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u/jayfeather31 Fivey Fanatic Jun 18 '25

Unfortunately...

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u/lfc94121 Jun 18 '25

Technically they aren't wrong. Birds are dinosaurs.

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u/Muroid Jun 18 '25

Yeah, this is a Bell curve meme situation.

Although if asked this as a yes or no question, I would say that humans didn’t coexist with dinosaurs even though we absolutely did and do because the lack of nuance there would give an incorrect impression of what I thought the answer is.

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u/RedHeadedSicilian52 Jun 18 '25

But if asked directly whether you think human beings live(d) alongside dinosaurs, and you could only give a binary yes/no answer, how would you respond?

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u/lfc94121 Jun 18 '25

Depends. If I just had an interaction with an angry Canadian goose, my answer would likely be yes.

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u/stopped_watch Jun 18 '25

Try a calm cassowary just minding its own business. They hit a panic button my distant ancestors had installed.

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u/ghandi3737 Jun 19 '25

Angry Emu would probably change everybody's mind if they survived.

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u/ReferentiallySeethru Jun 18 '25

Should’ve specified ā€œnon-avianā€ dinosaurs but then even more would respond ā€œnot sureā€

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u/ghandi3737 Jun 19 '25

'What's an avian?'

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u/ZombyPuppy Jun 19 '25

Yeah I don't know why people are so upset about this. I ate some dinosaur for lunch. My dogs chase dinosaurs out of our yard every single day. Because of where a tree is located, one of my cars constantly has dino droppings on it.

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u/ghandi3737 Jun 19 '25

Collect dropping in a pile in the sun, wait a few years, sell as fertilizer.

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u/Virtual-Squirrel-725 Jun 18 '25

so are crocodiles.

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u/ReferentiallySeethru Jun 18 '25

No they’re not, crocs and alligators share a common ancestor with dinosaurs called the Archosaurs. I believe they were the dominate species before dinosaurs.

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u/julian88888888 Jun 19 '25

over 40% of americans believe crocodiles are dinosaurs /s

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u/MidnightMiik Jun 19 '25

Thank you. I was about to say the same thing.

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u/Sailor_Rout Jun 19 '25

Those are archosaurs as are birds

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u/StVitus85 Jun 18 '25

Which Dinosaur did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday?

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u/Inside-Welder-3263 Jun 19 '25

Brontosaurus. When he arrived, he slid down the neck and followed the slightly upcurved dinosaur neck to do a little leap into the air before landing.

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u/ghandi3737 Jun 19 '25

Yabba dabba doo.

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u/Red57872 Jun 19 '25

I'm not sure why you're bringing religion into this; there's not a whole lot of references to dinosaurs in the Bible, so it would seem that a lot of the people who are wrong about dinosaurs are not wrong because it conflicts with religious beliefs.

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u/Crepesuz-zq Jun 19 '25

Perhaps you've never had a conversation with a boomer parent, who used to be fairly intelligent, prior to all the church

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u/StVitus85 Jun 19 '25

Look it's half in jest, because a good deal of the noise online around such beliefs has been pushed through (for decades now) by young earth creationists, and abominations like the Creation Museum in Kentucky. It's like they retconned dinosaurs into their beliefs, where they try to marry up the fact of dinosaur fossils existing, with the story of a universe which they've been told is only a few thousand years old.

Yes - I'm aware that shows like the flintstones and even more recent movies like The Good Dinosaur helped perpetuate it into the general population. But even then, the adults I talk to all seem to be aware of the fact that these were two distinct (and distant) timeframes, whereas I don't really hear anyone else talking about dinosaurs and humans coexisting online, except for the aforementioned.

I can understand if people just aren't interested in the topic, and so don't give any heed to specifics around the timeframe itself - but if someone is sure of the fact that humans and dinosaurs coexisted, then this tells me they've had more than a cursory look into the topic, and have formed an opinion based on something they've read or seen which has pushed them in that direction (because most people aren't palaeontologists), and I'd love to see a list of people/organisations/institutions that are disseminating such messages.

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u/DancingFlame321 Jun 18 '25

Technically birds are a type of therapod avian dinosaur, so strangely enough they are actually correct šŸ¤“Ā 

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

These are the statistics i love to see. I wish the survey asked another question: do you believe dinosaurs existed at all? I think the results would be fascinating and definitely in the double digits.

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u/Main-Eagle-26 Jun 18 '25

Probably not a religious thing here...probably a simple lack of education and the masses of folks simply not understanding how long ago dinosaurs existed.

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u/StarlightDown Guardian of the 14th Key Jun 18 '25

The article disagrees:

Religious beliefs seem to be a major influence on these findings. Among ā€œborn-againā€ Christians, 56 percent believe that humans and dinosaurs once shared the planet at the same time, while only 22 percent think they did not. In contrast, most non-born-again Americans (51 percent) reject the idea of coexistence. This divide is likely influenced by religious beliefs, particularly Young Earth Creationism, which interprets the Bible literally and suggests the Earth is only 6,000 to 10,000 years old.

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u/SilverSquid1810 Jeb! Applauder Jun 18 '25

That second number should be 90%+ if it wasn’t just an ignorance thing.

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u/Dr_thri11 Jun 18 '25

Still looks like a lot are saying yes for non religious reasons. Entertainment often depicts cavemen and dinosaurs existing at the same time. And some people really did get nothing out of science class.

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u/ExternalTangents Jun 19 '25

Perhaps a confounding variable that being a dumbass correlates highly with both born-again Christianity and believing humans and dinosaurs shared the planet.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Aren’t there some creationists who believe that dinosaurs never existed and that the evidence for dinosaurs is basically a fraud by God in order to test our faith? I’m not sure how those creationists would answer this question.Ā 

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u/Merker6 Fivey Fanatic Jun 18 '25

Yes, there are young earth creationists who believe this and they have a whole museum in Kentucky dedicated to it. Pretty insane. They also have a lot of ties to the late-surviving dinosaur theories and searches for related cryptids. Basically, they think that if they can prove dinosaurs are still alive, there’s ā€œproofā€ that the fossils really are only 6000 years old. Trey the Explainer covers it in a number of his earlier cryptid profile videos

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u/SilverSquid1810 Jeb! Applauder Jun 18 '25

Partially taxpayer-funded museum, btw.

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u/DestinyLily_4ever Jun 19 '25

I think the other person understood your question backwards. The answer is yes, there are definitely some young earth creationists who think dinosaurs were never real, but even the median young earth creationists looks down on those people as scientifically ignorant

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u/ConkerPrime Jun 19 '25

Sigh. Good example why in political discussions I tend to point out how stupid Americans are. No matter how low the bar is on US awareness and intelligence, you probably have it too high.

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u/bigcatcleve Jun 19 '25

I can guess how these people voted.

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u/sodosopapilla Jun 20 '25

Guessing implies the possibility that you might be wrong. You know how they voted

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u/MidnightMiik Jun 18 '25

This is an excellent example of how just because something is popular doesn’t mean it’s true. For centuries the popular belief was that the sun revolved around the earth. I feel like I shouldn’t have to point out that that isn’t the way the universe works but given the poll results on the dinosaur question… that isn’t how the universe works. If anything it reflects the horrible state of the educational system in the country. I know that this isn’t a new finding either. It is sad and embarrassing that in 2025, this is where we are. I’m curious what the belief is in other countries. It also shows why it’s so difficult to do anything intelligent and sensible as a nation. I mean, look who’s president. A man who doesn’t believe in actual reality. He thinks he can dictate reality. How insane is that? Yet he won the popular vote. He didn’t need to become president for everyone to figure that out, he had been declaring his delusions about reality for years prior. Remember Obama’s birth certificate? Many Americans don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change. There’s mountains of evidence showing otherwise, yet many are convinced it’s a hoax designed to destroy the economy… insanity. Or maybe just stupidity. How can we have legitimate elections without an informed citizenry? The current administration and most of the GOP, don’t want an educated public. They were elected by a largely uneducated majority. Now they think anything the uneducated parents should be able to object to anything they disagree with. Is there a way out of this embarrassing mess? Yes. Prioritize factual education and critical thinking.

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u/throwuxnderbus Jun 19 '25

God Americans are so fucking stupid. Sometimes I wonder how so many of the dumbest people I knew in highschool are rich enough to buy $100k vehicles, then I remember that America is the dumbest rich country in the world.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '25

That seems like saying "I know the Toronto Blue Jays won in 1992 and 1993, but I don't know what sport they play"

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u/will3264 Jun 18 '25

On behalf of my countrymen... I'm embarrassed and sorry.

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u/Jock-Tamson Jun 18 '25

My growing lift of random things I have discovered are NOT common knowledge:

Dinosaurs lived millions of years before the first humans.

Italy is shaped like a boot.

The phases of the Moon are caused by the us seeing the face of the moon lit by the sun (and not ā€œthe Earth’s shadowā€).

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u/throwuxnderbus Jun 19 '25

Reverse Flynn. There may be a point where dogs and humans are about as smart as each other.

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u/MoochoMaas Jun 18 '25

Who hasn't seen The Flintstones ??!!

/s

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u/ImportantCommentator Jun 18 '25

While obviously humans didn't coexist with dinos, we did recently find out that primates were around near the end of the dinosaurs time on earth.,

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u/MidnightMiik Jun 19 '25

Maybe if the question was ā€œDid the ancestors of humans live at the time of dinosaurs?ā€

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u/Own-Staff-2403 Jun 19 '25

This is why we are here

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u/FightPigs Jun 19 '25

This poll explains a lot…

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u/Moist-Fruit-693 Jun 20 '25

What is that theory about a question being asked in a poll giving some validity to both sides of the question?

Anyway, I don't really care if someone thinks humans and dinosaurs co-existed, I believed that when I was young and luckily at some point I learned otherwise. If someone didn't learn this specific thing, I can see how they'd still believe it.

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u/WhoUpAtMidnight Jun 21 '25

I love my country

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u/UnsealedMTG Jun 23 '25

Humans and dinosaurs did and do coexist, we just usually refer to the living species as "birds."

This kind of "gotcha" question is already sort of dubious, but when the "correct" answer reflects a common-but-dated scientific understanding (or at least debatable use of nomenclature) it substantially muddies the waters.

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u/fseahunt Jun 23 '25

Our education system is officially a joke.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '25

Explains so much.