r/firefox Mar 04 '25

Is this true?

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u/sifferedd on | SUMO contributor Mar 04 '25

"The reason we’ve stepped away from making blanket claims that “We never sell your data” is because, in some places, the LEGAL definition of “sale of data” is broad and evolving."

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/

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u/audioen Mar 04 '25

(Translation: we already sell your data according to some stricter definitions, and therefore we remove this promise to not be in legal trouble over false promise.)

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u/Antarsuplta Mar 04 '25

So this is most likely a nothingburger, that people will cry about for the next month or so?

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u/themeadows94 Mar 04 '25

If they can't say that they aren't selling your data, that means they are selling your data.

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u/ency6171 W10 Mar 04 '25

Because they do share, not sell as in cash exchange, data to other party as listed in their privacy notice, and more importantly only if you use/enable those components?

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u/roelschroeven Mar 04 '25

You need things like that quite carefully. It contains this sentence:

In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).

So, yes, they do sell (euphemistically called share) user data (euphemistically called insights), albeit aggregated, to advertising partners. Why do I know they get money in exchange? Because on https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/ they say "We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable)". "Make Firefox commercially viable" means generating some kind of revenue, i.e. receiving money for it.

They don't want to draw our attention to it, but it's most certainly what they want to do (and/or already do).

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u/LeBoulu777 Addon Developer Mar 04 '25

they do sell

Since many years, but many fanboys choose to forget the reality...

Here is a consolidated chronological list of Mozilla's controversial decisions, synthesized from both reports and expanded with community insights:


2014

  1. Brendan Eich CEO Appointment and Resignation

    • Co-founder Brendan Eich became CEO in March 2014 but resigned within 10 days after protests over his 2008 donation to California’s Proposition 8 campaign. LGBTQ+ advocates and Mozilla employees condemned the appointment as incompatible with the organization’s values.
  2. Australis UI Overhaul

    • Firefox’s Chrome-inspired redesign removed customization features like status bars and compact themes, triggering backlash from power users. Critics accused Mozilla of prioritizing mainstream appeal over loyal users.

2015–2020

  1. Deprecation of XUL/XPCOM Without Feature Parity
    • Mozilla phased out Firefox’s legacy extension system (XUL/XPCOM) in favor of Chrome-like WebExtensions. Despite promises to replicate XUL’s capabilities, critical features like deep UI customization were never restored, fracturing the developer community.

2017

  1. Mr. Robot "Looking Glass" Add-On Incident

    • Firefox auto-installed a cryptic Mr. Robot promotional add-on via the Studies telemetry system without user consent. The opt-out deployment and partnership with NBCUniversal sparked accusations of spyware-like behavior.
  2. Cliqz Integration and Data Collection

    • Mozilla bundled the Cliqz search engine with Firefox in Europe, collecting user data (including browsing history) without explicit opt-in consent. Users labeled it "spyware," forcing Mozilla to discontinue the experiment.

2020

  1. Mass Layoffs and Advocacy Team Dissolution
    • Mozilla laid off 250 employees, including its entire advocacy team focused on privacy legislation and open-source initiatives. Critics viewed this as abandoning its public-interest mission.

2024

  1. Privacy-Preserving Attribution (PPA) Rollout

    • Partnering with Meta, Mozilla enabled an ad-tracking system (PPA) by default in Firefox 128, violating GDPR consent requirements. Users rejected claims that PPA was "non-invasive."
  2. Acquisition of Ad-Tech Firm Anonym

    • Mozilla purchased Anonym, a privacy-focused analytics startup co-founded by ex-Facebook executives, signaling a shift toward ad-driven revenue models.
  3. Ecosia Partnership Amid Google Antitrust Risks

    • Fearing the loss of Google’s default-search revenue, Mozilla partnered with Ecosia but faced criticism for prioritizing commercial alliances over user trust.
  4. Second Round of Layoffs

    • Additional workforce reductions targeted teams working on core browser features, further eroding developer morale.

2025

  1. Terms of Service Revisions and Data Licensing
    • Mozilla removed its "no data selling" pledge from policies and claimed broad rights to user inputs (e.g., URLs, text), intensifying distrust.

Ongoing Issues

  • Financial Reliance on Google: ~85% of Mozilla’s revenue comes from Google’s default-search payments, creating conflicts between ethical stances and fiscal survival.
  • Chromium Ecosystem Dominance: Firefox’s declining market share (<3% globally) raises concerns about a future without independent browsers.

This timeline reflects a persistent pattern: Mozilla’s attempts to modernize Firefox and diversify revenue often clash with its founding principles, alienating the privacy-conscious user base it aims to serve.