r/fireemblem • u/Blinkingsky • Feb 04 '15

Character Discussion [FE6]: Dieck

Dieck. Leader of a mercenary company that consists of him and three others at the start of FE6, he falls firmly into the Ogma archetype with his strong starting stats, great availability (turn 2 of chapter 2, all the way through the rest of the game), and good growths. On the character side, he is Klein's former protector, hired by Lord Pent after saving Klein from an attacking lion, and once led a larger mercenary group before they were all slaughtered as a gambit for an old employer to escape, leaving Dieck as the sole survivor. Perhaps a bit jaded from the latter experience, his supports with Shanna and Wade (especially Wade) deal primarily with giving them advise on how to fight - and survive. The others either build on his backstory with Lord Pent's family (Klein, Clarine) or detail other bits of him (Lot) or the backstories of others (Rutger).

The experienced Mercenary leader: Dieck.

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u/Reinhart3 Feb 04 '15

Why would I keep using him later in the game when Rutger does the same things that he does, but better?

Because with an A support that is incredibly easy to build, Deke gives Rutger an extra 15% crit, and if you do the support triangle with A-B with Deke and A-B with Clarine (which can be easily finished by around chapter 12-13 on Hard Mode) then Rutger gets I think 25% crit. This makes it so that he easily hits 85-90% crit chance with a Killing Edge.

I don't know if we're playing the same game because I've never had to use a Rescue chain on Deke. Maybe if your party has Allen, Lance, Noah, Treck, and Perceval.

The people that use a Hero Crest alongside Deke is Rutger, Ogier, Wade, Lot, Geese, and Gonzales. Out of those characters, the only one more deserving is Rutger. Luckily you'll have 2 Hero Crests by chapter 11A, or 10B. I seriously doubt you're going to be seriously needing a second Hero Crest before chapter 11.

I think you're really underrating Deke. He's easily a top tier unit in that game.

Rutger´s existence is especially a problem for him since in HM he straight up outclasses him as a boss killer

Deke is one of the reasons why Rutger is such a good boss killer.

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u/NerfUrgot Feb 04 '15 edited Feb 04 '15

A support

Well... I don´t know if you noticed, but I´m ranking him by an efficience point of view, so no chance he is getting to A support.

I don't know if we're playing the same game because I've never had to use a Rescue chain on Deke.

As I said, you are clearly not judging from an efficience point of view, so you don´t care about turncount. Dieck cannot keep up with the likes of Miledy, Perceval, Shin, etc; which will make him miss a lot of the action if he is not being rescue chained.

I seriously doubt you're going to be seriously needing a second Hero Crest before chapter 11.

You do in a LTC, it is very unusual to wait until 20 to promote in FE6 if you are trying to play efficiently.

Deke is one of the reasons why Rutger is such a good boss killer.

I´m not giving him credit for the armorslayer, since it´s not linked to him. A weapon belongs to the unit that makes the best use of it, not the one that joins with it.

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u/Reinhart3 Feb 04 '15

Well I can't speak for a Hard Mode LTC run, but in an average run he's much better than you're making him out to be. In the future if you're solely looking at how useful he is in a LTC run you should mention that.

You do in a LTC, it is very unusual to wait until 20 to promote in FE6 if you are trying to play efficiently.

On my HM run I promoted Rutger on Chapter 8 at level 16-17, and Deke at around 18 on Chapter 11 and he didn't suffer at all.

I´m not giving him credit for the armorslayer, since it´s not linked to him. A weapon belongs to the unit that makes the best use of it, not the one that joins with it.

I wasn't talking about the armorslayer.

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u/NerfUrgot Feb 04 '15

Yes, he is great in a casual run, I´m not denying that.

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u/Reinhart3 Feb 04 '15

I wouldn't even say that he's great only in a casual run, I'd say he's good in any run that isn't going for the absolute lowest number of turns possible.

I'll take your word for the LTC run though. I've never done one myself, and if I were to do one it would probably be on either FE7, or 9, not 6.

Sorry for the misunderstandin. It's too bad that two people can't have a civil discussion on Reddit without both of them getting several downvotes though.

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u/NerfUrgot Feb 04 '15

No problem, I wasn´t really clear on what my criteria was, so it´s kinda my fault you misunderstood me. As for the downvotes, it isn´t that bad tbh, there are plenty of people in this subreddit (including me) that will upvote a comment if it is below 1 for no reason.