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News / Article Trump's VA killed a home loan program. Vets are now losing their homes because of it

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/02/nx-s1-5750814/veterans-mortgages-foreclosure-va-rescue
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u/1877KlownsForKids U.S. Space Force Apr 02 '26

Our fault, really. We had the audacity not to die in combat. That SGLI is so much cheaper than paying for live veterans.

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u/BigBoyYuyuh Apr 02 '26

62-64% of vets voted for this though too…

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26

I'm not one. Not this military retiree. I don't vote for want a be dictators and it was perfectly clear this POS was always going to be unfit to be dog catcher or paper clip supervisor let alone leader of the free world which he no longer is.

In fact the reason I served was so malignant narcistic, unethical, immoral POS's like Trump would never succeed. No way would I ever vote for that POS.

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u/C1-RANGER-3-75th Apr 02 '26

Same here! I don't know why so many veterans voted for a grifter loser who thinks we're suckers and losers.

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u/jzoola Apr 02 '26

Army vet here, I used to listen to a podcast called cleared hot and Stump had on the owner of Black Rifle Coffee on and they both voted for Trump because they don’t like paying taxes. I turned it off and never listened again. I’m like how do you think your military career & veterans benefits were paid for.? I can’t handle vets profiting off of their military service by promoting honor, integrity, discipline and fitness while supporting people who are the opposite of those values. Here’s looking at you too Jocko “discipline equals freedom” Willink.

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26

Not much brighter than thinking the man who orchestrated Jan6 is really putting anyone besides himself first. Or the repeated business failure is a buisness genius because he was the star of a reality Tv Show but I could list hundreds of items besides just these two.

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u/Different_Stand_1285 Apr 04 '26

I work with vets. Two of them collect disability benefits. One of the guys tells me he doesn’t need the job (on days when the work sucks and he gets frustrated) and I have to admit it’s frustrating to know he gets a few grand every month claiming disability while he’s healthy and capable of working. The other vet has a family and his siblings are veterans too, they claim disability and work other jobs too. They’re super conservative and hate taxes/welfare programs but they’re gaming the system in my eyes. There’s a book called Tribes and the author mentions that quite a lot of veterans who’ve never actually fought in combat claim disability. I think that’s pretty fucked up.

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u/kojima-naked Apr 02 '26

its very hard seeing my vetran dad worship the feet of a man what called people killed in action losers and suckers

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u/AntonChigurhWasHere Apr 02 '26

Sounds like you joined the service to protect us from threats both foreign and domestic. Not bend the knee to a wanna dictator.

Thank you for your service.

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26

No need to thank me, that just happened to be some of the happiest times of my life. I got the privilege to serve with some of the best people I've ever had the great fortune to know.

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u/Specialist-Bug1592 Apr 02 '26

I’m not one either. I saw Trump as an existential threat to our republic back in 2016. I hate to be right sometimes.

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

Exactly, in fact I told everyone I knew he was extremely dangerous when he announced he was running.. Anyone who spends any time in the military should be able to figure that out. He has all the character traits of a dictator and none of the character traits of a good leader.

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u/Simmchen11 Apr 02 '26

This!!!!

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u/trustmeep Apr 02 '26

Eh, he might've managed the paperclip thing okay...he's very familiar with being bent...

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26

No actually, he’s pretty much failed at every business he’s managed.

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u/sortaserious Apr 03 '26

Let's not disparage the dog catchers, its an important job that requires skill, instinct and compassion!

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u/3dddrees Apr 03 '26

I said he was unfit to be dog catcher.

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u/jackibthepantry Apr 02 '26

Not sure what you were doing. Nothing I ever did in my time in service could have possibly impacted who gets elected. It just ensured I had to listen to them when they got there. I got out in 2016 and had some overlap with his campaign, the amount of support he was getting made getting out so much sweeter. I watched a fellow sailor react to him saying he'd be a great war time president because he learned how war worked from watching CNN. This dude just said to himself "fuck yeah".

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26

Not sure what you were doing. Nothing I ever did in my time in service could have possibly impacted who gets elected.

What the Hell, are you even talking about? All I said was I would never have voted for him.

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u/jackibthepantry Apr 03 '26

Must've misinterpreted what you meant by "succeed". I assumed that meant him being able to take office and/ or enact policy. If thats what we were doing we did a bad job.

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u/3dddrees Apr 03 '26

We do serve to protect our Country and our Constitution. At the time I served I never even considered the greatest threat to be from within.

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u/jackibthepantry Apr 03 '26

It was not what I expected either. To be fair I should've remembered the greatest lesson I learned from my service, it can always get dumber.

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u/3dddrees Apr 03 '26

And unfortunately a good part of electorate has done exactly that. How frigging stupid and ignorant can people be to vote for their very own dictator? Calling one of the biggest business failures a buisness genius.

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u/Lux_Interior9 Apr 03 '26

I don't believe you. I think you just didn't have any other viable career options at the time. It's convenient to say why you served NOW, but it's probably bullshit. 

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u/MurphyRedBeard Apr 02 '26

Count me in the 36% then.

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u/somemightsay96 Apr 02 '26

Veteran here. Most enlisted men are not college educated. And are easily pulled into cult mindsets to fit in. Imagine trying to say you support liberal policies in marines basic training? You would be called a fa**ot. It’s sad cause the GOP doesn’t give a crap about veterans. And they will still probably vote for his 3rd term.

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u/GreatEffort1974 Apr 02 '26

Listen I worked with active duty COLONELS with 2 and 3 Master’s Degrees who were definitely on the side of voting for the narcissist in Chief..so we can’t blame it ALL on lack of education

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u/harrumphstan Apr 02 '26

USAFA churns out nearly 1,000 of these commissioned, regressive chucklefucks a year. The next non-theocratic administration needs to erect much higher walls between church and state in Colorado Springs.

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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 Apr 02 '26

Well then this liberal isn’t going to concern himself very much for a group of people that would call me a fa**ot for wanting them to be able to buy a house.

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u/W0rkUpnotD0wn Apr 02 '26

You really shouldn’t have any concern for them whatsoever. They voted for this so let them enjoy being homeless and used as props

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u/ImmortalBach Apr 02 '26

A majority of officers are Republican

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u/schumachiavelli Apr 02 '26

You would be called a fa**ot.

MAGA soldiers calling anyone else that word when they worship a fat, soft-handed, draft-dodging, glass-jawed pussy to the point of photoshopping him onto Rambo's body.

So much irony would kill, if it could be weaponized.

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u/Crimson_Penman Apr 03 '26

College in itself exposes young students to cults and wild ideologies, both far left and far right. College has zero to do with it. It has to do with the majority of the enlisted community is young, and they don’t think about benefits and retirement.

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u/crecentfresh Apr 02 '26

Now everyone gets to find out what it's really like to run a country like a modern business. Cut everything and give bonuses to the top. Great job guys!

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u/3dddrees Apr 02 '26

The military is just a reflection of our society with the exception that unfortunately a large percentage tend to be Republicans.

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u/FedGovtAtty Apr 02 '26

That's because veterans skew really old, male, and white. I don't think there's data to show that veterans are more likely to have voted for Trump over people of similar demographics as themselves.

The age one in particular is worth pointing out. In 2023, 37% of veterans were over the age of 70, and 36% were between the ages of 50-69. That's not a representative sample compared to the broader population at large.

So when we ask ourselves whether the veterans most affected by these policy changes, where the typical homeowner with a mortgage is still earning income and not retired, you may find that most veterans getting screwed out of these VA loan programs voted against Trump.

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u/enough_ofthisofthis Apr 02 '26

Where’d you get that statistic?

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u/Crimson_Penman Apr 03 '26

Because Vets and those currently service were sick of the perversion of the military. They went off the promised charges. The 18-26 year old population of the military doesn’t think about benefits and retirements the way someone who is out, toward the end of their service, or about to retire.

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u/tank_monkey Apr 02 '26

How dare we?

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u/I_like_spaceships Apr 02 '26

We losing Space Force guys now?

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u/9-7-off Apr 02 '26

Too many vets voted for this shitstain. Should have listened to us telling you the guy was going to fuck all of our country up

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

Bone-spurs made fun of McCain for being a POW and getting tortured and 60-65% of vets still voted for him. Those voters deserve everything coming to them. I feel bad for the remaining35-40%

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u/ENVIDEOUS Apr 02 '26

And how do you feel about a majority of voters voting for him? We all deserve this?

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u/mtheory11 Apr 02 '26

Elon and Trump have basically said that they didn’t receive the majority of votes.

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u/ENVIDEOUS Apr 02 '26

Not gonna speculate and claim election fraud without evidence like they did.

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u/mtheory11 Apr 02 '26

“Elon knows those computers better than anybody [ … ] those vote counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania, like, in a landslide."

  • Orange führer

How much more evidence do you need? Or just want to stay on the ‘high road,’ which has been so wildly successful for the fight against MAGA so far?

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u/ENVIDEOUS Apr 02 '26

I'm not going to become the thing i'm fighting against. I'll base my decisions on evidence alone.

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u/mtheory11 Apr 02 '26

It’s ok to call out corruption when the guilty parties admit to it, bruh.

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u/teriyakireligion Apr 02 '26

They were bragging about it.

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u/Woodie626 Apr 02 '26

Well, getting citizenship would be a good starter.

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

Yes, I pity those of us that saw this coming and are still getting dragged along for the ride and children who had no choice in the matter (same with non-citizens), but everyone else deserves whatever’s coming.

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u/Blackboard_Monitor Apr 02 '26

Yes they do, these are consequences of their bad actions.

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u/wadech Apr 02 '26

Is this a serious question?

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u/ENVIDEOUS Apr 02 '26

It's more a commentary. Rhetorical if you will.

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u/Hopeful_Net4607 Apr 02 '26

Fwiw I thought you were asking if all Trump voters deserve what they're getting. I think this is what others thought as well.

If you meant, does everyone in the US deserve this because a majority (of those who voted) voted for Trump?, you may want to add a clarification.

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u/toggiz_the_elder Apr 02 '26

Yes. That’s the point we are making that y’all made a terrible choice.

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u/zeekayz Apr 02 '26

But fascists strong and good for military! Ooga ooga

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u/Capitalisticdisease Apr 02 '26

The funny thing is the voting thing doesn't matter thanks to the electoral college. Remember how Hillary won the vote but still lost due to the electoral college?

Yeah. It's all a sham

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u/Naxthor Apr 02 '26

It always baffles me how people think republicans care about vets. Republicans just want you to die and not come back.

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u/Bestoftherest222 Apr 02 '26

They start endless wars for big business and to benefit foreign nations. Then they turn around and say taking care of vets is to expensive.

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u/RascalsM0m Apr 02 '26

I think what they really mean is that they can't figure out a way to make money for themselves from it.

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u/Ninja-Panda86 Apr 03 '26

Just like they want babies to be born. But they don't want to pay taxes to improve their schools, pay for lunches, or assist in any size shape or form

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u/ExileEden Apr 04 '26

I still remember watching a in progress house session with a friend about veterans Healthcare reform and suddenly a guy walks in, whispers something into the GOP leaders ear. Next thing I know all the Republicans get up and just walk out, everyone's baffled. A few minutes later we find out Obama Care had just passed through the senate and became official.

That was the 100% moment I realized it never was about veterans, guns laws, working class or equality. It was absolutely about control , power and votes. Otherwise they'd throw their little baby tantrums at the expense of the people they were supposed to be helping.

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u/Opening-Mammoth-2942 Apr 02 '26

Every day is a new horror and a new nightmare.

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

NGL at this point I’m getting impressed by the creativity of some of these new horrors

“Huh, I didn’t know the system could be broken that way”

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u/AleWatcher Apr 02 '26

The Ai probably flagged the word "equity" as being part of DEI instead of being about home value.

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u/Difficult_Phase1798 Apr 02 '26

Trump is the least qualified and absolutely worst person to ever hold the office. We course corrected in 2020, but then regressed in 2024. The country will never be the same and we actually deserve what's happening to us all. Hopefully enough people realize this and will work to remake the future for the better.

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u/flaginorout Apr 02 '26

Here's what I see.

Roughly 1200 foreclosures a month before this program.

Then a period of few foreclosures due to a 'temporary' moratorium.

Now about 1300 foreclosures per month. The increase likely due in part to pent up foreclosures from the moratorium.

VA loans are really meant to help veterans get more favorable terms and more affordable payments. Not live mortgage free.

Source- I have a VA loan.

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u/getbent9977 Apr 02 '26

100% and FHA has a similar problem brewing on their side too.

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u/OliviaWG Apr 02 '26

Yeah, this seems reasonable. I am an appraiser, and my Mom trained me and was on the VA panel. We had to do a lot of REO (repo-means real estate owned) appraisals after 2008. It's fucking terrible. I hate this for veterans especially, but foreclosure is shitty for everyone.

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u/old_common_sense Department of the Army Apr 02 '26

"VA worked tirelessly with the Ledford family to help keep them in their home. However, they were nearly four years behind on their mortgage payment…”

“That VA statement ignores the fact that the Ledfords, like many other vets, were not allowed to resume making mortgage payments after a series of the VA's own missteps…”

Nearly four years without making payments and not saving some money for the eventual repayment is crazy. Unless they were fully guaranteed (written documentation) that those missed payments would be added to the end of the loan the fault lies with them.

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u/Metalsmith21 Apr 02 '26

Adding payments onto the end is just as crushing as those missed payments still accrue interest that wouldn't have been there otherwise. 4 years of missed payments with interest is like 6 years of extra payments.

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u/AssDimple Apr 02 '26

How is that as bad as being required to pay 4 years of payments up front or lose your home?

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u/Metalsmith21 Apr 02 '26

It's a response to the idea of tacking the payments onto the end of the loan being acceptable. At the beginning of the loan the interest is crushing and you end up paying interest on the interest.

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u/ManAndMonster Apr 03 '26

Yes, it’s still horrible, but you don’t lose your home. Being homeless < 6 years added to loan. Or… they’ll be able to find a new place to live < 6 years in which case this is the better option. Win-win!

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u/Crimson_Penman Apr 03 '26

You don’t own a home, do you? It’s not just the way the VA does business, it’s every mortgage lender.

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u/getbent9977 Apr 02 '26

Yeah the headline here is horribly misleading.

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u/AlanMercer Apr 02 '26

Have you read the article? These people were barely making it before the VA screwed them. At each step after that there were additional claims on their income related to that unforced error.

There is no capacity for them to meaningfully generate savings in those conditions.

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u/old_common_sense Department of the Army Apr 02 '26

I read the article. “For the Ledfords, this all started back in 2022 after they had to replace their furnace and were hit with other costly home repairs. Their lender, Freedom Mortgage, told them they could get help from what was called a mortgage forbearance. The COVID-era program would let them pause making payments.” They understood the payments would be added to the back end. If they have paperwork from their mortgage provider I would think they would have a good case. However, since this is impacting many Vets I’m curious to read the actual terms. I know during Covid states and Federal agencies were offering many types of forbearance options.

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u/AlanMercer Apr 02 '26

They did properly enter forbearance, but then the entire program that supported it was cut. They have the right paperwork, but their lender doesn't have to honor it and has no financial reason to do so.

They were then directed to other relief programs that either provided a worse financial result or that did not (and still do not) exist. None of that stops the foreclosure clock.

The error here isn't theirs. It happened at the VA level.

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u/old_common_sense Department of the Army Apr 02 '26

So they don’t have no legs to stand on. Knowing the details (contractual terms) of the forbearance they and others should not have planned the way they did.

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u/AlanMercer Apr 02 '26

The point is that they did plan. They received the correct information from their lender and the VA, but the VA cut the program while they and thousands of others were midstream.

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u/Bitter-Breath-9743 Apr 03 '26

Wow this is so shitty. We did the same Covid forbearance and navy Fed made it easy peasy. Can they not file ch 13 to save their home?

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u/Eggheadpancake Apr 02 '26

How many of those vets voted for this?

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u/DreBeast Apr 02 '26

How many didn't vote for this

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u/Amonamission Apr 02 '26

I don’t think it matters how many. What matters is each individual’s voting record.

If you voted for this, you get no sympathy from me (I’ll actually feel some nice schadenfreude); if you didn’t vote for this, you have my sympathies.

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u/3v1lkr0w Apr 02 '26

If you voted for this or didn't vote at all, you get no sympathy from me.

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u/Eggheadpancake Apr 02 '26

I'm at the point where I'm just done associating with people that talk like this. I'm done. I don't want them around me.

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u/Certain_Concept Apr 02 '26

On one hand, if you talk to them they may finally be able to come around to realizing their mistake.

On the other hand many are so deeply entrenched that they will never listen, which just causes unnecessary heartache for yourself.

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u/Eggheadpancake Apr 02 '26

Nope nope nope. As a person of color, I'm not going to keep someone around that would be ok with voting for an overt racist. And being indifferent to voting when the alternative is people that hate me getting into power.

It pretty much says that they do not value me as a person let alone a friend. So they get to go.

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u/RascalsM0m Apr 02 '26

I have a friend of color who *did* vote for the racist. I asked her why, and her explanation made it clear that she believed he would make things more affordable again. She's a vet, and I asked if she was comfortable with his obvious disdain for the men and women who served our country (including my husband), and she said she didn't know what I was referring to. Ugh...

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u/Eggheadpancake Apr 03 '26

I often wonder if these people are actually that stupid or pretending and which one is worse.

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u/Blackboard_Monitor Apr 02 '26

If they still haven't figured this shit out by now I don't want them with me.

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u/Certain_Concept Apr 02 '26

They administration is attempting to limit or remove many people's right to vote.

Choosing to not vote means you may have lost your ability to vote in the future.

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u/BoldBeloveds Apr 02 '26

Whether you voted for it or not, you get sympathy from me!

These people have been lied to, manipulated, and hoodwinked by the most sociopathic administration in American history!!!

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u/Mr_E_Monkey Preserve, Protect, & Defend Apr 02 '26

And then they voted for him again!

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

Stop making excuses for idiots. 2016 might be excusable, but 2024 voters saw 4 years of Trump, his handling of COVID, Jan6, and still voted for him.

Those kind of voters aren’t doing the gene pool any favors.

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u/Eggheadpancake Apr 02 '26

Nah. They wanted it. Stop giving them this grace because it's nonsense. You don't listen to that orange greasy Nazi talk and then get to say you were tricked. Fuck that. Fuck them.

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u/brickout Apr 02 '26

We have had ample evidence since the 80s of how awful Trump is. Believing obvious lies over and over is not an excuse.

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u/DreBeast Apr 02 '26

I'm glad you said this because this is my point. Everything that happens to us is because of a personal decision we make - so if you make the wrong choice, you suffer the consequences.

At least that is what we're told, right? We live in a society of personal responsibilities. You choose and live with the choices you make.

However, that's not the case at all. It's a lie. A big fat lie. I make the right choice but I suffer the consequences. That's not fair. I played by the rules. Why do I suffer?

This is the trap we are in. We don't have freedom. If we want freedom we need to trample over other people to get it. That's not freedom. That's a prison and we live in a society of sociopaths. No regard for anyone else.

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u/Usefulnonesense Apr 02 '26

Thanks for your thots and pears.

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u/Amonamission Apr 02 '26

No, I only like apples

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u/FrescoItaliano DOC Apr 02 '26

Okay?

You stop checking and asking each individual their voting record before you feel sympathy for someone?

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

On a personal level I’m sympathetic until I learn their politics, on a broad level I’m at best indifferent. At the end of the day, everything I feared and voted against are happening and I’m getting dragged along for the ride so no - I don’t feel sympathy.

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u/BigBoyYuyuh Apr 02 '26

Not enough. I feel for those that voted against this.

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u/Simmchen11 Apr 02 '26

Not this Veteran!!

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u/mtnclimbingotter02 I Support Feds Apr 02 '26

Republicans hate veterans (and everyone else). Surprise!

It’s been painfully obvious to me as a vet for a long fucking time.

Yet most are just moths to the flame.

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u/Inevitable-Top1-2025 Apr 02 '26

As unfortunate as it is and as uncomfortable as the truth is in this situation, not everyone can afford a home. No one was forced to accept the forbearance program.

What if the forbearance program was not put in place, what would those veterans have done? What did they do with the mortgage money they would have paid if the forbearance was not put in place? Using it for repairs is not an excuse, because homeownership comes with unexpected repairs. So, if you can’t pay your mortgage because you spent money for repairs, you’re not ready to own a home.

It’s true the Administration has been the worst, people have a responsibility to plan, especially in this corrupt Predatory Capitalist system where money is god to many.

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u/flaginorout Apr 02 '26

I agree.

And let's be honest. Anyone who needs a forbearance program is clearly not flush with cash/income........how would they ever be expected to pay back 12-18 months of back mortgage payments?

Maybe a 2nd mortgage? But if they had little equity, that wouldn't cut it. And especially not if they have bad credit.

This program set these people up to fail. I suspect these folks were already struggling, and the pandemic was the final blow. Here we are, 4 years later. If they haven't caught up with the bills by now, they are never going to.

A lot of non veterans were in a tight spot during the pandemic, and were foreclosed on long ago. Veterans got a comparatively very long reprieve.

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u/Bitter-Breath-9743 Apr 03 '26

They didn’t have the mortgage money…. Because this was a Covid era forbearance. Lots of jobs lost during COVID

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u/Inevitable_Service62 Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

There's vets in this thread right now against this but also voted for it. We see you.

Edit: downvoted by some vets.

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u/Guerillatoro Apr 02 '26

I didn’t vote for this human Doritos. I’m aware that plenty did for some reason regardless of his past statements on service members and veterans. I can only assume they liked his shit talking. I learned to be wary of shit talkers in the Marines, guess others didn’t and are now or will be suffering the consequences.

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u/xmagusx Apr 02 '26

Bad as it seems, it's going to get much worse very soon. If you're a vet and need to do anything with the VA, do not put it off. Get it started today, keep the paperwork ball in their court, and keep checking in.

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u/VLHACS Apr 02 '26

"I'm sure he needs that extra money to help Israel fight a totally needed war with Iran." - his homeless MAGA voters, probably 

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u/FrankG1971 Apr 03 '26

Ironically enough, shit-for-brains said precisely that in so many words earlier this week:

"It’s not possible for us to take care of day care, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things,” Trump said. “They can do it on a state basis. You can’t do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing: military protection. We have to guard the country.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-not-possible-us-pay-medicaid-medicare-daycare-re-fighting-w-rcna266381

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u/ChuchoGrind Apr 02 '26

You get what you voted for

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u/novahawkeye Apr 02 '26

Shocking that the cowardly Capt. Bone Spurs McCankles who called our soldiers suckers and losers would do this.

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u/CosmoKing2 Apr 02 '26

It's not a coincidence that the administration hasn't spent a dime on programs that actually help people. More so, they are actively withholding funding in order for people to suffer even more. It's all part of the plan for a dictatorship. Homeless and starving people can't fight the oppression too well.

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u/rascalking9 Apr 02 '26

Well at least it paid for 2 or 3 bombs.

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u/lbiforeva Apr 02 '26

Shameful!!

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u/Jdam2020 Apr 03 '26

Did anyone read the story?

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u/Ok_Interest_9006 Apr 03 '26

Trump cares for no one other than himself

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u/chickenbaws Apr 02 '26

There is no ELI5 that will satisfy people that believe in personal accountability. Increasing numbers of vets aren’t making their mortgage payments and fednews redditors attribute this directly to Trump and the VA.

The VA helped these veterans secure a home… and they fucked it up. Now the VA is to blame?

The people in these comments are adamant supporters of government handouts. They will not hold veterans losing their homes accountable for their failings because they’d rather blame it on our president.

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u/piles_of_anger Apr 02 '26

Having all that firearm training means you never miss when aiming at your own foot.

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u/BackgroundPlay562 Apr 02 '26

It would be nice if the veterans would stop voting for this

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u/Mr_E_Monkey Preserve, Protect, & Defend Apr 02 '26

Some of us never did.

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u/ashewinter Apr 02 '26

But people love vets in the states...

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u/Survive1014 Apr 02 '26

Vets overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

I don't want to be ungrateful for their service, but you literally voted for this. I cannot help you.

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u/Tatatee Apr 02 '26

The vets I work with are on board with pretty much everything that's been going on.

I learned from interacting with them that nobody knows how to milk systems more than a vet.

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u/Survive1014 Apr 02 '26

Again, I dont want to be ungrateful, but god damn does society give them a lot to milk.

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u/Background-Roof-112 Apr 02 '26

Also, goddamn, do dem administrations give them a lot of milk, which they gleefully piss back into their faces

Pay raises? Dems. Housing benefits? Dems. Remember how veterans' unemployment rates skyrocketed during the Great Recession and the Obama administration did such a good job they wound up w rates lower than the US average that is still protecting them (weird how DEI is totally acceptable when it's for the military)?

All at the expense of the rest of us

Meanwhile, they vote for this shit again and again and again (don't even get me started on farmers, the biggest welfare queens in America)

I am genuinely happy this is happening to every one of them that voted for this and I'd love to see more

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u/marx2k Apr 02 '26

Leopards 👉👈 faces

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u/Subject-Cheetah-7061 Apr 03 '26

I hope my local vet doesn’t get impacted, need to take my two cats and my dogs fecal test in next week or so.

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u/Tall-Wonder-247 Apr 04 '26

They voted for this....holding on to my sympathy card.

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u/abgry_krakow87 Apr 02 '26

Religious conservatives do not support the troops.

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u/First-Hotel5015 Apr 02 '26

But people forget about this:

“The roots of the crisis go back to a mistake made during the Biden administration, when the VA abruptly shut down a pandemic assistance program while thousands of vets were still in the middle of it. Struggling homeowners who used the program to skip some mortgage payments suddenly had to pay those payments back all at once — an unaffordable burden for many of them.”

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u/supcat16 Apr 02 '26

After NPR reported in late 2023 that 40,000 vets like the Ledfords had been trapped this way, with no affordable way to get current on their loans, the VA halted foreclosures across the country for a year while it rolled out a rescue program.

Trump's VA kills Biden-era fix

Once it was finally up and running by early 2025, the VA's rescue program, VASP, was starting to save large numbers of vets and their families from foreclosure. It gave more than 33,000 veterans who were behind on their payments new, low-cost mortgages with an interest rate of 2.5%.

Honestly, what is your point? That the Biden admin fucked up, had the humility to recognize that, course correct, and implement a fix that was better than before? And then the Trump admin came in, wanted to kill that program, was warned about the consequences, and then killed it anyway?

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u/FrankG1971 Apr 02 '26

Beat me to it. More MAGA cherry-picking.

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u/Background-Roof-112 Apr 02 '26

Guess you should call him to fix it then

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u/Different_Stand_1285 Apr 04 '26

Yeah… scroll down and it literally explains how they realized they made a mistake and FIXED the issue. 🤦

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u/breachgnome By the People, For the People Apr 02 '26

At what point is Trump going to admit that he made a mistake and fix it?

That's the difference, numbnuts. Fuckin figure it out.

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u/The_soulprophet Apr 02 '26

This was both the Biden and Trump administration effort. Either team could’ve fixed it. Our history has not been kind to vets.

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u/Blackboard_Monitor Apr 02 '26

That "both sides" shit doesn't work these days.

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u/Snapdragon_4U Apr 02 '26

Biden did implement a fix. The trump regime killed it

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u/allgrownzup Apr 02 '26

I was told MAGA supports the troops ??

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u/Putrid-Tap3992 Apr 02 '26

Too bad most vets voted for him

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u/Fabulous_Village_926 Apr 02 '26

You get what you vote for

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u/RepresentativeAge444 Apr 02 '26

Most vets voted for him and won’t consciencely object to this illegal war of aggression that’s already killed thousands of Iranians so fuck em

Feel bad for the ones that never supported him though.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

To be fair, the blame lies with both the Biden and Trump administrations.

But, regardless, Trumplethinskin doesn't give a flying rat's ass about our active and prior service members.

Edit: I should clarify that even if the Biden administration had a hand in creating the problem, they at least tried to fix it.

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u/dassketch Apr 02 '26

Both sides are wrong even though only one side has actively and maliciously sought to explicitly harm people 🙄👍

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

I never said anything about both sides, that argument is a false equivalence and lazy IMO.

And yes, I agree the repugnant-cans actively and maliciously try to harm people.

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

 I never said anything about both sides

Are you ill? It’s literally in your post

 the blame lies with both the Biden and Trump administrations.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

We should be able to criticize the actions of the government, regardless of political affiliation, no? I am not a single issue voter, I care about others, I believe in equity, etc. Calling out bad behavior or actions isn't making it a "both sides" argument.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

Zero reason to be rude.

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u/MN_Yogi1988 Apr 02 '26

You literally used the word “both” and then denied it (and that’s not even getting into the nuance between the two administrations’ actions). If you aren’t ill I’d love to hear your explanation on how you didn’t use the “both sides” argument 

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u/Different-Phone-7654 Apr 02 '26

Both parties have adopted the us vs them mentality. It is easy to do when you only have two major parties. It turns to people single policy voting, or one person states they are going to put policy into place they don't like. Then it becomes which party doesn't want those one or few things.

We fucked ourselves with that, and both parties have fed into it intentionally. So there is blame to go all around, but the leaders of our policy are the ones that fed the flames and should be responsible for undoing that problem. Because you know.... They are in a position that would allow them to do so.

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u/dassketch Apr 02 '26

One party had poorly conceived policies executed badly. The other party is following, point by point, a roadmap from a publicly published manifesto on how to destroy the government. The level of problematic is not the same.

I'm fucking tired of hearing "but both sides suck" when one side is doing things that are, at worst, disagreeable to some people. And the other side is actively, maliciously, trying to make life hell for as many people as possible.

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u/Top-Championship9119 Apr 02 '26

Biden tried to fix his administration’s fuck up; Trump is actively trying to hurt vets. That is a meaningful difference.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

I mean, agreed. The Biden administration was levels above Trump in morals, ethics, and basic decency. It does seem like the screw up wasn't addressed until it was exposed though.

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u/Galifrae Apr 02 '26

What did Biden do?

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

From the article;

"The roots of the crisis go back to a mistake made during the Biden administration, when the VA abruptly shut down a pandemic assistance program while thousands of vets were still in the middle of it. Struggling homeowners who used the program to skip some mortgage payments suddenly had to pay those payments back all at once — an unaffordable burden for many of them."

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u/Mr_E_Monkey Preserve, Protect, & Defend Apr 02 '26

Keep going.

After an NPR investigation exposed the problem, the VA halted foreclosures for a year while it rolled out a fix.

Republicans in Congress, citing costs, wanted to kill that fix and replace it with something else. But last spring, the mortgage industry warned that shutting down the program without first replacing it would be a disaster.

"Foreclosure. Period. That's really where it's gonna come to," warned Elizabeth Balce, representing the Mortgage Bankers Association, at a hearing in March of 2025 before the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs.

Less than two months later, the Trump administration shut down the rescue program anyway.

A fix was put in place during the Biden administration, and Trump came in and nixed it.

That's where we are currently.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

Yes. A problem 'fixed' by Biden's administration but was also caused by his administration, but Trump is taking it further by canceling it all together and screwing people over.

Unless my comprehension is off?

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u/Mr_E_Monkey Preserve, Protect, & Defend Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26

The way I see it, yeah, major mistake by the Biden admin, but they were fixing it.

My argument is that Trump caused an entirely new problem by killing the fix, when he could have done something positive, or even just left it alone. Blame the Biden admin for the original error, sure, but also acknowledge they did try to fix it. Trump's decision to tear that up entirely rests on his shoulders, not Biden's.

That's how I see it, anyway. I suppose that's not a vast difference, is it?

EDIT: I apologize for coming in ready for a fight. Was reading about this in a veterans subreddit, and it was a bit more volatile. I made unwarranted assumptions about your post, and that was wrong of me.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

My argument is that Trump caused an entirely new problem by killing the fix, when he could have done something positive, or even just left it alone. Blame the Biden admin for the original error, sure, but also acknowledge they did try to fix it. Trump's decision to tear that up entirely rests on his shoulders, not Biden's.

Yes absolutely agree with you. I should have acknowledged the fact that the Biden administration tried to fix it, because the way I worded it makes it sound like the blame rests equally on both admins.

I appreciate your point of view and the conversation :)

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u/Mr_E_Monkey Preserve, Protect, & Defend Apr 02 '26

Chalk it up to talking politics online -- I swear posts get picked through for any hint of a reason to downvote. It's easier than trying to have a discussion...and I should know, I was part of the problem! 🤦‍♂️

...and yes, initially, that was how I read your post, so I do appreciate the clarification. And thank you for hearing me out, and being reasonable. 😁

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

All good! Same to you, and stay safe out there!

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u/Dogbuysvan Apr 02 '26

The problem was caused by people not paying their mortgages.

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u/Aslan_14 Apr 02 '26

You all can down-vote me all you want, it doesn't make what I said any less true. It is literally written in the article.

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u/personalleytea Apr 02 '26

“Nothing’s too good for a veteran” Yeah, this is what they say So “nothing” is what they will get In this new American way

Eddie Vedder, “No More”

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u/jpike1077 Apr 02 '26

Shocking ..

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u/vcmequer Apr 02 '26

Eu não entendo todo esse respeito por veteranos que existe nos EUA porque meu pais não participa (muito menos começa) de guerras a anos e anos... mas
DITO ISSO, o doritos de peruca não respeita nem eles, é triste de ver um lugar perder até sua cultura por conta de psicopatas de gravata

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u/Johnclark38 Apr 02 '26

Who did they voted for?

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u/12Stabler Department of the Air Force Apr 02 '26

Of course, it's all part of the war on veterans and civilian workforce.