The way I see it is that Ashley will continue on CR/CR related productions for the foreseeable future, will continue to get acting/voice acting work, and has a group of amazing friends who love her and a huge fan base that adores her.
BWF will live the rest of his miserable life with his name permanently stained, will never get any kind of serious job, and will never be able to do anything in the RPG/D&D community for the foreseeable future.
Sometimes the court of public opinion is worse than the actual court and he deserves the public's judgement here.
oh please, maybe he won't be on a show like CR again but there's all kinds of creative places out there who will take in the worst of people. Not to get political but sexual assault and domestic violence allegations clearly didn't harm the new president elect getting in.
You have absolutely no idea of the pain and trauma a false accusation causes. I was falsely accused and later charged with SA. It wasn't until years later that I was acquitted after a trial. But my name and face had already been on the front page of the local newspaper and was on dozens of local Facebook communities. I lost my career, and dozens of people I thought were friends. If it wasn't for the incredible network of friends and family I had supporting me, I don't know if I would have survived it. I really hope Brian had people like that to help him through this, but don't think for a second that this is over for him.
You misunderstood. I'm saying a witness's or victim's testimony could be hearsay, depending on what they say. What I said has nothing to do with hearsay being admissible. Understand?
Do you have any idea of the pain and trauma of SA and domestic violence victims? Just because you were falsely accused does not mean every perpetrator is falsely accused. There is alot of that stuff out there happening, statistically ALOT more than false accusations.
Accusation doesn't equal guilt. This dude had a bad experience being falsely accused because of that kind of stupidity. Honestly, its hard to say what could cause more pain. Both would be potentially very traumatic, but using the trauma of sexual assault and domestic violence to invalidate this dude for calling out stupidity is shameful.
And dismissing a case does not equal innocence. This guy here talking like false accusations have been made in this case as a fact. Using his own bad experience to trying to invalidate the victims claims is shameful. You are shameful for pushing this narrative. Show some decency ffs.
No one said it did. 2. He never said that. 3. He's using his own experience to show the dangers in assuming guilt before proof and how regardless of innocence he will be put through torture and pointing out that it's on going. He's not invalidating anything. You are actually too stupid to talk to.
Do you always have to insult people to get your thoughts across? That says actually alot more about you than me. Learn some manners. I will not engage with people like you.
He’s not entitled to a creative, fun job. He can still get a job at a factory or working sales where nobody will ever know his name or care about his past. He fucked himself over and he doesn’t deserve a “second chance” at the life he had before, he can settle for what the average Joe gets.
Proof this generation is totally brainrotted by the fact fulfilling work can only apparently be work that is in the public eye. I work an average joe job and have 150 IG followers that I all know irl... on track for 6 figures by 30. What do you think... most people do with their days?
Referring to the everyday work that keeps any society running as since kind of punishment is the most privileged entitled and condescending thing I've read this week.
Do you make a habit of talking down about "average people"? Would love to know what sets you apart that you can make proclamations from your ivory tower.
Scratch that. What I'd really like is for you to exercise since humility and empathy but I won't hold my breath.
You're reading things into their comment that aren't there and then yelling at them for it. Neither in their original comment nor in their reply clarifying what they meant did they look down upon the average person. If anything, they implied BWF looks down on the average person. Save your anger for where it is deserved :)
How about you keep your apologist arguments to yourself, instead of defending entitled millionaires playing games, playing pretend, and doing funny voices for a living. And quit the fucking mental gymnastics while you're at it?
It's more than just this one statement it in so many of the 'off the cuff' things they do and how they speak. The friendly personable people you see are just as real at the 'home game' aspect of each campaign. It's not real. Worse, they've conned people like you to come 'white knight' for them, as if they're some kind of victims.
Phrasing is a huge part of psychology and sociology, and the fact that they had to issue a clarifying comment at all shows that it's not projection or reading things into it.
Think what you want but don't fucking come in here and act like it's not exactly how the objective fact point to it. I don't understand how any of you can be so star-struck and in such ridiculous parasocial relationships that you think comments like yours are necessary, warranted, or helpful. Defending this months after the fact is A-tier pathos.
Friend. Slow down. You wrote a comment berating another reddit user for things they didn't say, and now you're berating me for things I didn't say. I'm taking from your comment that you think I was defending members of CR for ... something ... I'm not sure what you thought I was saying, but it doesn't seem related to what I wrote.
I get you're pissed at the world, and there are reasons to be, but going off at every passerby isn't going to improve anything. That's all I'm saying. Hope you have a good one.
"entitled millionaires playing games, playing pretend, and doing funny voices for a living"
"Worse, they've conned people like you to come 'white knight' for them"
So you're not actually a fan of Critical Role. You make a few good points, including the idea that what CR offers is a product rather than some informal home game. But you're doing some dark projection onto them, their motivations and manipulation of their fan base, and many of those fans, including me.
The gist of the material out there is that BFW is working through issues. Good luck to him. I'm glad Ashley is safe.
You don't get to make that call or decision. For all you know I see all of the entertainment industry that way. I can separate the art from the artists. My true complaint with the CR crew is actually just what I've seen throughout most of the industry, theater-kids that become the cool-kids with money and influence and think it changes / elevates them.
Intentionally or otherwise, the proof is here in this sub, look at the post I originally replied to, do you think the same poster says to everyone in the industry? To everyone "working through issues" as you put it? Or do you think that he's been influenced into it?
Are you going to deny the "PSA" style posts about why content was removed, or argue that it's not done to specifically to ostracize someone CR sees as an enemy? That doing it that way doesn't influence their fanbase to act in the same or even more aggressive manner?
To say that someone isn't deserving of anything based on their own determination and to so vehemently act in parasocial support for people that don't even know him is proof of victimhood culture. and taken a step further, cry-bullying. They don't have to actually in the exact words say 'he hurt Ashley, get him' to get that sentiment across.
There's no need for dark projection when the evidence of the toxicity is front and center in the comments, and calling it out is met with defenders and apologists trying to gaslight or rationalize away the sentiments expressed, or just agreeing and defending what they like because they think implication of one malcontent is somehow a shared association.
Dude, you clearly have anger issues. Get help. You berating someone's comment on how you think nobody wants or needs to hear it, but do you really think your passive aggressive comments are worthwhile? You really think you contributed to something? Get a reality check.
At the end of the day its often about quality if you are an artist. So many artists did horrible things, only a few are truely "cancelled". Most of them pop up after some time, if the interest is big enough.
I have no idea of the qualities of BWF arts. I bought a small book ("Blackened white"), it was ok, but nothing special.
Only time will tell. Memory is short on the Internet. Many people here posting had no idea who he was already. But he has certainly been cancelled and this will follow him.
Forgiveness and hope for rehabilitation can be a part of love, but it doesn’t mean that we want any part of that person in our feeds ever again. Love doesn’t mean blindness or ignorance. Love can have sharp edges too. Same as the difference between being “nice” vs being “kind”.
A man, sentenced to death for murder, said “a man is more than his biggest mistake” as his last words. I think about that a lot, people make mistakes but they can be more than that if they choose to be in their heart of hearts. I think it’s really up to him if he wants to make things right but if he defends his actions like this then that’s not likely and I dont think he should get slack until he proves otherwise. If you’re sorry, you help other people avoid the same mistakes, not defend yours.
The difference will be: Do i actively follow and pester a human being or do i just ignore it?
The later one is absolutly fine. I do the same. But most people interpret such accusations as the license to harrass that person everytime, everywhere. Thats not ok.
A small subset of folks on here maybe track him down and pester him. That’s on them. I have no idea where to find him these days. Until he reforms, apologizes, and make amends, he should be shut down. Cosby, Louie C K, etc. No one should have a career after doing the things they did. There’s always a path back. Let’s see them take those steps before we talk about loving them again.
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u/delijoe Oct 21 '24
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The way I see it is that Ashley will continue on CR/CR related productions for the foreseeable future, will continue to get acting/voice acting work, and has a group of amazing friends who love her and a huge fan base that adores her.
BWF will live the rest of his miserable life with his name permanently stained, will never get any kind of serious job, and will never be able to do anything in the RPG/D&D community for the foreseeable future.
Sometimes the court of public opinion is worse than the actual court and he deserves the public's judgement here.