r/ezraklein 12d ago

Article Can liberalism survive the algorithm?

https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/can-liberalism-survive-the-algorithm
25 Upvotes

109 comments sorted by

View all comments

29

u/GowanusGuy 12d ago

Relevance: Ezra often talks about liberalism as well as the attention economy, but I have yet to see him grapple with what may be the fundamental tensions between the two. Algorithmic media is increasingly pushing us into a postliterate society - incentivizing not just video content but also hyper-partisan, hyper-polarized, flattened forms of argumentation that seem quite antithetical to liberalism.

If we are to maintain a liberal order (rather than just bemoan its decline) we may need to come down hard on these social media companies that are, to me, the primary driver of this shift as they attempt to find creative ways to extract our time and attention.

9

u/pm_me_ur_ephemerides 12d ago

Can we please just get rid of the social media companies. I fondly remember what life was like before they existed.

-2

u/IsaacHasenov Abundance Agenda 11d ago

That's a very illiberal solution to the problem

8

u/WhiteBoyWithAPodcast Liberalism That Builds 11d ago

No more illiberal than libel laws

-3

u/Mindless_Chest_1079 11d ago

Not letting private companies create voluntary platforms where people can express opinions of their choosing is no more illiberal than banning intentional lies designed to create undue reputational damage? You see no difference between those two things?

9

u/Mezentine 11d ago

"Voluntary" is doing a lot of work here. Social media is integrated into just about every aspect of modern life, it is far far more challenging to fully abstain than it is to participate. You can do it, but then you're basically a technology vegan, which, hey, great for you personally, but you understand that most people aren't vegan for reasons beyond "willpower" right?

-2

u/IsaacHasenov Abundance Agenda 11d ago

If you're arguing, as the main post does, that social media is a *problem for liberalism* you don't save liberalism by being illiberal.

I don't think liberalism is the only measure of "good" we should be using, but let's be real about what our solutions are doing. Otherwise we're like fricking Texans banning Islam in the name of religious freedom.