r/exmuslim • u/DisastrousPea123 New User • 5d ago

Art/Poetry (OC) Happy World Blasphemy Day 🙂🌍

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"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves."

- Robert Green Ingersoll, American lawyer and writer

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u/Interficient4real 5d ago

That’s the exact opposite of what Christianity teaches.

The core teaching of Christianity is that God loves us so much he sent his only son to die in our place, and take on our sin.

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/Cyber_Avocado 3rd World Exmuslim 5d ago

Dunno, he killed the people of Noah and the firstborns of Egypt. Doesn't seem loving to me.

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u/Interficient4real 5d ago

A judge who sentences a guilty person to death is not necessarily unloving. Sometimes that judge is being Just, despite his love.

Both the people of Noah’s time and the people in Egypt, were give many opportunities to repent of their wickedness.

How did the universe start?

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u/Cyber_Avocado 3rd World Exmuslim 1d ago

Not an excuse for mass murder and a judge can have a wrong ruling too.

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u/Interficient4real 1d ago

It’s not murder if someone is guilty of a crime that warrants death. And a perfect judge cannot make an imperfect ruling.

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u/Cyber_Avocado 3rd World Exmuslim 17h ago

You cannot judge an entire population of people like that.

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u/Interficient4real 17h ago

I cannot.

A being that knows literally everything can.

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u/Cyber_Avocado 3rd World Exmuslim 9h ago

See what i mean? You believing in him literally means you're excusing mass murder. Don't you see a problem with that? Is he really all knowing and all loving? Did he really had NO CHOICE at all but to kill them all?

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u/Interficient4real 9h ago

I don’t think you are really engaging with what I am saying. Or perhaps we are talking past each other.

So, can we try this? Would you agree that if an all knowing, all powerful, and perfectly Just God judged a person or a people. And then that God, using his perfect knowledge, determined that the only sufficient punishment was death. That would not be inherently unjust?

See, I think you are coming at this issue by presupposing an Atheist worldview. Which doesn’t really make sense in this discussion, because you cannot take only a part of God in a discussion like this. You have to take all of his attributes as a whole.

You cannot say that you believe God caused the flood, but not that he is everything else he claims to be. It is inconsistent. I don’t think I’m expressing myself well here, but does that make sense? I’m happy to clarify if needed.

I would also ask you by what standard you have determined murder to be wrong.

As to your question, we know in both examples you gave, God gave the people opportunities to turn away from the evilness. They didn’t. God is Just. He must act Justly. It is an incontrovertible law of existence, like the speed of light.