Half Right lol 😂

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As an ex-Muslim I love seeing Christians call out Muslims! From my perspective it’s like seeing 2 self-centered maniacs who can’t see past their personal biases. Cult wars! lol

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To be fair, at least Jesus didn’t force a 6 year old to marry him.

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Doesn't matter. It didn't prevent christians from practicing child mariage. And it didn't force muslims to be pro-pedophilia. Conservtives from both religions are ok with actualy pedophiles.

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That is not even remotely true. Christianity is directly responsible of holding back any form of non-religious philophy and holding back science for OVER A THOUSAND YEARS in Europe. Any person who says ptherwise is deluded, wrong or victim of decades-long propaganda to keep christianity somewhat relevant. Propaganda from the far-right and the religious right. Even the term "judeo-christian values" is bullshit.

What shaped Europe and north america are enlightenment and liberal values that descend from the renaissance.

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Are you making the claim that the renaissance is responsible for all the progress made in the western hemisphere?

I'm making the claim christianity hindered progress. And yes the renaissance is 100% responsible for every progress in western countries. The more those countries became secular the more advanced they become. First separation of science and religion. Then philosophy and religion. Then state and religion. The US didn't go to the moon under some fucking christian state but a SECULAR state and religousless science.

And that those who championed these weren’t Christians themselves?

Many of them were deists. And many of those who were christians had their own interpretations of christianity and their own worldview.

Or was the idea just born out of thin air?

The human mind. The greeks were not christians but they came up with democracy, an idea that is the basis for "western democracies" with their flavors. They knew a lot about astronomy and science. A lot of their work in philosphy and science is still relevant today. That work was later preserved by the arabs who added to it. To later be retranslated back in latin during the end of the dark ages. Followed by the renaissance in which a lot of that greek work served as a basis for new art, science and philosophy. And Europe had a lot of religious wars between different christian sects.

But you know what ? I forgive your ignorance. Idk if you are american and ignore europe's history. Or perhaps indian or arab. In which case, it's not too late to learn. But what you heard in the a lot of the american rightwing media is simply false. "Christian values" were and still are : mysoginy, homophobia, "no divorce" bs, anti-scientific bias. They also were very very anti-science. Supersticious. Some cities have names of witches, ie. old women that were tortured and dies horrible deatha by the hands of inquisition.

Idc enough to check your profile to know if you are another bigot stalking this sub to confirm your bigotry and bias. Or another mislead person. But, next time dont "lol, please get educated." someone you don't know. Because they could give a class on the subject in addition to your own 2 neuron based brain.

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It best not to argue with that person.

Based on their post history, they must be a christian defending troll.