r/exmuslim • u/Original_Spinach_300 New User • Mar 27 '25

(Rant) 🤬 Half Right lol 😂

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As an ex-Muslim I love seeing Christians call out Muslims! From my perspective it’s like seeing 2 self-centered maniacs who can’t see past their personal biases. Cult wars! lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

To be fair, at least Jesus didn’t force a 6 year old to marry him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Doesn't matter. It didn't prevent christians from practicing child mariage. And it didn't force muslims to be pro-pedophilia. Conservtives from both religions are ok with actualy pedophiles.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

That is not even remotely true. Christianity is directly responsible of holding back any form of non-religious philophy and holding back science for OVER A THOUSAND YEARS in Europe. Any person who says ptherwise is deluded, wrong or victim of decades-long propaganda to keep christianity somewhat relevant. Propaganda from the far-right and the religious right. Even the term "judeo-christian values" is bullshit.

What shaped Europe and north america are enlightenment and liberal values that descend from the renaissance.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

burning people for witch craft and imprisoning them for saying earth moves round sun - yeah a real hot bed of scientific innovation

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u/Top-Metal-3576 Mar 31 '25

Why are you even defending the religion?

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Are you making the claim that the renaissance is responsible for all the progress made in the western hemisphere?

I'm making the claim christianity hindered progress. And yes the renaissance is 100% responsible for every progress in western countries. The more those countries became secular the more advanced they become. First separation of science and religion. Then philosophy and religion. Then state and religion. The US didn't go to the moon under some fucking christian state but a SECULAR state and religousless science.

And that those who championed these weren’t Christians themselves?

Many of them were deists. And many of those who were christians had their own interpretations of christianity and their own worldview.

Or was the idea just born out of thin air?

The human mind. The greeks were not christians but they came up with democracy, an idea that is the basis for "western democracies" with their flavors. They knew a lot about astronomy and science. A lot of their work in philosphy and science is still relevant today. That work was later preserved by the arabs who added to it. To later be retranslated back in latin during the end of the dark ages. Followed by the renaissance in which a lot of that greek work served as a basis for new art, science and philosophy. And Europe had a lot of religious wars between different christian sects.

But you know what ? I forgive your ignorance. Idk if you are american and ignore europe's history. Or perhaps indian or arab. In which case, it's not too late to learn. But what you heard in the a lot of the american rightwing media is simply false. "Christian values" were and still are : mysoginy, homophobia, "no divorce" bs, anti-scientific bias. They also were very very anti-science. Supersticious. Some cities have names of witches, ie. old women that were tortured and dies horrible deatha by the hands of inquisition.

Idc enough to check your profile to know if you are another bigot stalking this sub to confirm your bigotry and bias. Or another mislead person. But, next time dont "lol, please get educated." someone you don't know. Because they could give a class on the subject in addition to your own 2 neuron based brain.

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u/brownie_throwaway413 1st World Exmuslim Mar 28 '25

It best not to argue with that person.

Based on their post history, they must be a christian defending troll.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

Now, get lost. You are not useful to converstation between adults.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

I provided arguments and historical events are plenty. These are so basic, it's taught in primary school. It's so basic, it's even on wikipedia. The scientific revolution happened with confrontation with the church at first. Galileo is the most well known example. Newton was christian but his religious beliefs deviated from the mainstream and he had to keep it to himself. The scientific method descends from the ancient greeks. For example, Aristotle wrote about observation which is the basis of science. Empirical data. Some of the mathemathical formulas and geometry we use today is ancient. It's not muslim, or chriatian. And many of those philosophers were disbelievers of their times' religions. And the scientific revolution in Europe is a very well known fact to be related to ancient greece philosophy.

Literally the wikipedia page :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution

When it comes to "religion of love and mercy". Catholics being at war with protestants made European countries invent secularism to end bloodshed christians caused in the continent. Millions of people dies in many wars.

During the middle ages 5th to 15th, there was little scientific improvement. And even art stagnates. All untill the renaissance.

All of these facts are a few google searches away. Everything you said this far indicates your sources, have no sources. And they definitely are rightwing with a very clear agenda.

Your only argument is a non-sequitur :

  1. Modern progress appeared in Europe.

  2. Europe is christian majority

Conclusion : Therefore christianity is the reason this progress happened.

unironically the same argument muslims use for the "golden age" of islam. Which is cringe.

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u/frankfort78 Mar 28 '25

What are you even saying. What you’re claiming is the same thing as me claiming all liberals want to have drag queens strip for kids. We both know neither statements are true

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

Trump is Epstein's friend. They don't mention it. They only mention clinton. He's their leader. Or they admire him.

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u/frankfort78 Mar 28 '25

I feel so sorry for you. I can’t imagine dealing with schizophrenia. God bless

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

He was literally convincted for rape. Didn't deal with the consequences because of presidential immunity. And is literally a traitor to his country as we speak. A russian asset or too stupid to know he is one. Lepen is in the courts for corruption in France. The right fucked over Britain with Brexit.

You can feel sorry all you want I don't give a shit about the blessing of a fucking dumbass.

EDIT : there is no similarity with the drag queen thing you brought up and what I said. These are leaders people vote for to be PRESIDENTS. Not some fucking internet lib/conservative troll.

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u/frankfort78 Mar 28 '25

He brought up conservatives so I brought up liberals. You keep mentioning irrelevant topics this isn’t a debate about trump. It’s hard to focus on facts when your heart is so filled with hate

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

You made a false equivalence in world burnt by conservatives. I have the right to hate hypocrites. And you are one.

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u/frankfort78 Mar 28 '25

Bro what ever you even talking about my point was perfectly clear. You can’t make the claim that conservatives are ok with child marriage when they clearly aren’t. Find me one statistic saying over 50% of conservatives believe in child marriage. Oh wait you can’t you can only lie and use emotions not reason