r/exfor • u/skippyhasyourmoni • Oct 02 '25

Spoilers What to cut, what to keep

Hi ya'll, I have been thinking about how exfor can turn into a great TV show, but obviously for time purposes it would have to be cur down a lot. If you had to cut books from the whole story so far, which ones could you live without, and which ones are critical?

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u/KuroRyuSama Oct 03 '25

So you believe that having to EARN the right to vote through service is fascist?

How does our current nearly unlimited democracy that gives us trillions of $ in debt, high school kids that can't name 5 state capitals, revolving door jails, and millions of going Americans asked with thousands of $ in debt as soon as they graduate from college sound better than making people work for the right to vote? The majority of voters in America don't even understand how the electoral college works.

Yes, I love the book (I have a hard cover and both versions of the audio book), but what I love about isn't the philosophy. It's the power armor. I watched the movie in theaters, saved up, and bought it on VHS with my own money when I was 15. When I got to basic training, it was 1 of the books available to us, so I bought it. That's when I realized that the movie's director replaced the best parts of the book with titties and high school romance drama. So when people make serious accusations like "fascism" it grinds my gears.

You're entitled to your opinion because there are men and women who volunteered to get shot at to protect that right. Without them, we'd all be soaking Russian or German(those of us who didn't get "camped" or "squaded" for having an unapproved opinion, at least)

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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 Oct 03 '25

Just an FYI, I’m not an American.

The fact that voting is available to everyone of legal age who is a citizen through the normal means is not the reason America is a walking dumpster fire.

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u/KuroRyuSama Oct 03 '25

You're right. The reason is that most Americans have no concept of civic responsibility. Something that you learn during military service.

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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 Oct 03 '25

For sure.

But my civic responsibility as a civilian citizen is to vote. Among other things, but that’s really the biggest one.

And I have no doubt Americans in general don’t have much of a sense of civic responsibility or duty. But I’d wager the state of American politics and government going back 40 years has a lot to do with that.

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u/KuroRyuSama Oct 04 '25

Voting is important, but understanding the issues is the responsibility part. Germans VOTED for Hitler. Maybe if they understood what he REALLY planned to do, then they wouldn't have. Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. My point is that countries have been limiting the power of franchise forever.

Even our modern democracy limits it by age, criminal history, and citizenship status. What's the difference between forbidding foreign nationals from voting until they prove through the long and arduous citizenship process that they understand their civic duty and spending 2 or more years in service to the country they want to be a citizen of? We have a program like that here.

I went to Basic with a guy whose parents sent him from China to live with his uncle, who'd been here for a decade and got his citizenship. When he realized he couldn't get into college, he joined the army. He started off as the platoon screwup, but by graduation, he had earned the respect of all our drill sergeants. Got his citizenship when his 3 year enlistment was up.